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MP's Thread, or how to get paid $75K to sit around: also known as UChicago 2010

I call on your collective knowledge once again! Please assign the following classes a numerical value for probable difficulty of subject matter: 1 being easiest and 10 being hardest

Administrative Law
Admiralty
Antitrust
Con Law I
Federal Jurisdiction
Federal Regulation of Securities
Trademarks and Unfair Competition

I imagine I'll be taking some combination of these next semester. No evidence? Hmmm....

Antitrust is a challenging class and can have a TON of reading depending on who teaches it. I took it last year with Crane (visitor, went to Michigan) and it was a great class but he said it can be difficult to understand AT without really understanding the details of the cases so our average reading load was probably 25-30 pages per class. Admittedly I didn't end up finishing all of the reading and still did fine in the class, but it's definitely something to think of.

I wouldn't recommend taking Securities unless you're taking it concurrently with Corporations (or if you've had Corps before). I took all 3 Henderson classes last year (Securities, Corps and M&A) and Securities was my least favorite. I think Henderson does a good job with it but the material is INCREDIBLY dry. I can't imagine anyone making it that much more interesting than him but it's pretty boring stuff.

I want to take Advanced Legal Writing.  Is that based on a lottery?  Also, how do you feel about taking unorthodox classes as a 2L?  I want to take Trusts and Estates, Introductory Income Taxation, and Bankruptcy Litigation, but I realize that these aren't the typical 2L batch.

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I've only taken two of those classes before (Admin and FedJur), but I feel supremely confident in saying that Mortara's FedJur can be given the title of "most difficult". Sort of. All classes, IMO, depend on whether you "get" the subject matter or not, but I think most people would find FedJur to be the most challenging from that list. Still, its awesome.

Are Admin and FedJur classes that are consistently offered every year? and if so does it make more sense to try to take them 2L or is it kosher to push one or the other back until 3L? Assuming I'd take one or the other in a later quarter, what about any of the following:

Admin and FedJur are definitely offered every year. In fact, they're usually offered twice a year (last year Admin was taught by Masur and Epstein and FedJur was taught by Mortara and Strauss -- no idea if that will be different this year).

And yes, its not a big deal if you take FedJur or Admin as a 3L instead of a 2L. My FedJur class was majority 3L and my Admin class had quite a few as well (although it was majority 2L I think).

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Admiralty Law (is this offered every year?)

I believe so (it was taught last year as well). But only once a year.

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Con Law III (has Cox ever taught this before?)

Don't think so.

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And does it make sense to take a full courseload fall 2L quarter on top of LR duties? Or is that ill-advised?

Can't speak to that, except that I know friends who were on LR who think taking a full courseload is a bad idea. Of course, you never know when you need a lighter courseload (clinic, moot court, etc.).

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(And oh man, E-Pos and Ben-Shahar for contracts?)

incoming 1L here - anyone want to elaborate on how bad this is?  survival tips?

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(And oh man, E-Pos and Ben-Shahar for contracts?)

incoming 1L here - anyone want to elaborate on how bad this is?  survival tips?

They exaggerate. You might like it. Lots of people do.

(And oh man, E-Pos and Ben-Shahar for contracts?)

incoming 1L here - anyone want to elaborate on how bad this is?  survival tips?

They exaggerate. You might like it. Lots of people do.


Or you might not. In that case, killself and save the tuition money.

Just kidding, you'll be fine. We all had prof combos as 1Ls that we didn't like but we all got through it. I thought E Pos was a median level professor and can't comment on the other one.

I liked Eric's Public International Law class.  Contracts is a more traditional course, but I think you're in good hands.

Ben-Shahar may reduce the reading load, in response to last year's endless bitchfest mild criticism.

(And oh man, E-Pos and Ben-Shahar for contracts?)

incoming 1L here - anyone want to elaborate on how bad this is?  survival tips?

They exaggerate. You might like it. Lots of people do.

It's more the ideological one-two punch that Hipcat was speaking of, I'm guessing. It's a heavily law&econ combo, and Ks is weird enough as is. I think it's great that that Omri is first quarter. It's better for the 1Ls to have a non-Socratic type early, before they all learn to shut up and speak only when spoken to. My only survival tip for Omri is to read and try to understand the Restatement and UCC provisions when they're assigned.

Seatochitown and Hipcathobbes make good points, but I'd like to add that no class merits the verb "survive."  You'll be fine, even with tougher professors.

I enjoyed seeing most of you today.  I hope everyone is excited for their interviews.

(And oh man, E-Pos and Ben-Shahar for contracts?)

incoming 1L here - anyone want to elaborate on how bad this is?  survival tips?

They exaggerate. You might like it. Lots of people do.

It's more the ideological one-two punch that Hipcat was speaking of, I'm guessing. It's a heavily law&econ combo, and Ks is weird enough as is. I think it's great that that Omri is first quarter. It's better for the 1Ls to have a non-Socratic type early, before they all learn to shut up and speak only when spoken to. My only survival tip for Omri is to read and try to understand the Restatement and UCC provisions when they're assigned.


L&E - better to have two L&E heavy profs than one IMO. You've got to learn the stuff if you're going to do well at this school so you might as well get indoctrinated early on.