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Title: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on March 06, 2009, 05:49:14 PM
So?  I'm curious about the MAS crowd in particular.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: botbot on March 07, 2009, 08:10:49 AM
Not a 1L.

Happy despite being in class on Saturday.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 07, 2009, 08:22:18 AM
Yes, I'm extremely satisfied, at least for now.  What about you, Wally?
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: ;;;;; on March 07, 2009, 05:45:49 PM
I'll be happy to be done.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Dongo on March 07, 2009, 07:20:25 PM
Sure, just not happy I went to this law school.

Hopefully I'll change that next year
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 07, 2009, 07:36:22 PM
Sure, just not happy I went to this law school.

Hopefully I'll change that next year

I'm sorry to hear that.

Where do you go, if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Dongo on March 07, 2009, 07:50:28 PM
Lower Tier 1 in a major market. 

To clarify, I didn't go in hoping to be happy and slowly become miserable; I went in knowing I could never be satisfied unless and until I transferred.  I've approached the social side of things with that attitude, and although I've made friends, I've intentionally kept some distance. 

People here are very nice, the city is great, and no major issues with the school (aside from the obvious deficiencies after graduation).  I just wish I was at a better school.       
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Talk Is Cheap on March 07, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
It could be worse. I look forward to actually being PAID to bust my ass. I could handle the drudgery if there was a check to look forward to every two weeks...
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 07:18:32 AM
Lower Tier 1 in a major market. 

To clarify, I didn't go in hoping to be happy and slowly become miserable; I went in knowing I could never be satisfied unless and until I transferred.  I've approached the social side of things with that attitude, and although I've made friends, I've intentionally kept some distance. 

People here are very nice, the city is great, and no major issues with the school (aside from the obvious deficiencies after graduation).  I just wish I was at a better school.       

So you took the risky route, eh? 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Dongo on March 08, 2009, 08:07:35 AM
Lower Tier 1 in a major market. 

To clarify, I didn't go in hoping to be happy and slowly become miserable; I went in knowing I could never be satisfied unless and until I transferred.  I've approached the social side of things with that attitude, and although I've made friends, I've intentionally kept some distance. 

People here are very nice, the city is great, and no major issues with the school (aside from the obvious deficiencies after graduation).  I just wish I was at a better school.       

So you took the risky route, eh? 

Very risky.  I think the transfer will work out though.  Hopefully. 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Contract2008 on March 08, 2009, 11:06:19 AM
Lower Tier 1 in a major market. 

To clarify, I didn't go in hoping to be happy and slowly become miserable; I went in knowing I could never be satisfied unless and until I transferred.  I've approached the social side of things with that attitude, and although I've made friends, I've intentionally kept some distance. 

People here are very nice, the city is great, and no major issues with the school (aside from the obvious deficiencies after graduation).  I just wish I was at a better school.       

This proves that the question "1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?" is virtually pointless.  Your 1L year will pass very quickly, your law school days will passed very quickly.  What OP needs to ask is whether the new graduates are happy or not. Specifically, 2007 and 2008 grads. 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
This proves that the question "1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?" is virtually pointless.  Your 1L year will pass very quickly, your law school days will passed very quickly.  What OP needs to ask is whether the new graduates are happy or not. Specifically, 2007 and 2008 grads. 
That's a fair point, and that's why I stated that I'm satisfied "for now!" 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Very risky.  I think the transfer will work out though.  Hopefully. 

I asked because you *might* go to my school. 

I wish you the best of luck with transferring!
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Dongo on March 08, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
There's still some value to the OP's question.  The answer would still be relative and largely subjective even if the responses come from recent law school graduates.  Most people that chose to go to law school, especially the self-selective group of students on message boards like these that have done the proper research and know what they're getting into, will be happy with their decision to go (just like I am). 

There's also value in getting responses like, "it was a very bad decisions and I realized it's not for me."  Unlikely that a poster here, especially in the super-exclusive MAS group, actually feels that way though. 
     

Very risky.  I think the transfer will work out though.  Hopefully. 

I asked because you *might* go to my school. 

I wish you the best of luck with transferring!
Nope, nope. Different schools.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on March 08, 2009, 01:26:05 PM
I agree.  There is value in those responses, and that's why I started this thread.

I couldn't imagine doing anything else with my life.  I am 100% fixated on the law.  I still feel that wonderful sense of expectation and frustration and elation when I think about the future, like someone at the giddy beginning of a relationship.  Some nights, I work out comparative negligence "rule doesn't matter" Coase nonsense in my head in Torts preparation.  Other nights, I read Blackmun's biography until I fall asleep.

My classmates actually complain that I talk about law school too much.  I don't get it.  If anything, we don't talk about it enough.

"It eluded us then, but that's no matter--tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther . . . And one fine morning--"
-- F. Scott Fitzgerald
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: just dot on March 08, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
I love it.  I am perfectly happy and I could NOT imagine doing anything else.  I find LS interesting and challenging and my fellow students are bright, interesting people.

Based on my very un-scientific personal observations, the people who seem to be happiest are the ones that did a lot of research about law school and knew what was coming.  In other words, the ones who really want to be lawyers and are following their own dreams.  The ones who were pressured into law school, either because they have useless undergrad degrees or have a pushy lawyer-parent, are not as happy.  I know of a few debating about whether they will return next year. 

They would have to drag me out of law school kicking and screaming.  Although, I must admit I am NOT as gung-ho as Wally.  I do like to talk about other things from time to time.  ;)
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: M_Cool on March 08, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
Whenever someone asks me how I like to law school, I can't help but respond with an "it's alright..."  

I think at the base I'm more of a macro thinker, and a good portion of law school has been a lot of nuts & bolts that frankly, in many cases, I find uninteresting.  To be fair, there are also a good amount of opinions that I have found fascinating purely because they relate the nuts & bolts to the grand scheme of things.

In any case, it is impossible to be intelligible without having a firm grasp of the nuts & bolts (e.g. reporters).  

So it is kind of bitter sweet for me.  On the one hand, I know that what I'm doing is useful, but on the other hand I look forward to days where I will not have to focus so much on the small picture.  
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 03:03:07 PM
I agree.  There is value in those responses, and that's why I started this thread.

I couldn't imagine doing anything else with my life.  I am 100% fixated on the law.  I still feel that wonderful sense of expectation and frustration and elation when I think about the future, like someone at the giddy beginning of a relationship.  Some nights, I work out comparative negligence "rule doesn't matter" Coase nonsense in my head in Torts preparation.  Other nights, I read Blackmun's biography until I fall asleep.

My classmates actually complain that I talk about law school too much.  I don't get it.  If anything, we don't talk about it enough.

"It eluded us then, but that's no matter--tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther . . . And one fine morning--"
-- F. Scott Fitzgerald

Really?  You're enamored with the law?  I never would have thought so.   :D
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 03:16:15 PM
I love it.  I am perfectly happy and I could NOT imagine doing anything else.  I find LS interesting and challenging and my fellow students are bright, interesting people.

Agreed.

Based on my very un-scientific personal observations, the people who seem to be happiest are the ones that did a lot of research about law school and knew what was coming.  In other words, the ones who really want to be lawyers and are following their own dreams.  The ones who were pressured into law school, either because they have useless undergrad degrees or have a pushy lawyer-parent, are not as happy.  I know of a few debating about whether they will return next year. 

This is VERY credited.  I've noticed the same thing. 

They would have to drag me out of law school kicking and screaming.  Although, I must admit I am NOT as gung-ho as Wally.  I do like to talk about other things from time to time.  ;)

Wait, you're not Wally!?!?  My world is shattered!

(Wally, I'm just joking with you.) 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 03:18:03 PM
My classmates actually complain that I talk about law school too much.  I don't get it.  If anything, we don't talk about it enough.

I don't necessarily disagree with you here.  It scares me that some people don't ever want to talk about the law--what are they going to do when they're doing this for their career?  (Some of them will enjoy it still, when they find a job that matches their specific interests.  However, many of them will be unsatisfied--and that's a shame.)
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on March 08, 2009, 03:40:37 PM
My classmates actually complain that I talk about law school too much.  I don't get it.  If anything, we don't talk about it enough.

I don't necessarily disagree with you here.  It scares me that some people don't ever want to talk about the law--what are they going to do when they're doing this for their career?  (Some of them will enjoy it still, when they find a job that matches their specific interests.  However, many of them will be unsatisfied--and that's a shame.)

And that's why I think there are so many unhappy lawyers.  You really need passion to grind through literally thousands of pages of law under pressure and still stay sane.  How are you going to read cases, take depositions, and prepare motions for days on end who you can't handle a few hours of it in the library?

But I shouldn't judge, lest I be judged.  (And people do tend to judge.)
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: dischord on March 08, 2009, 04:13:47 PM
  How are you going to read cases, take depositions, and prepare motions for days on end who you can't handle a few hours of it in the library?


I'll be the first to point out that the bolded, especially the stuff that isn't reading cases, isn't really all that similar to exam prep.

Anyway, I'll bite. 

I'm ambivalent about 1L.  In some respects I'm very unhappy --  I don't do well with this much stress and structured time.  I can't help but feel that this is all for naught, as there's no way I'm going to be employable IN THIS ECONOMY, and the crushing sense of futility and defeat has started to make it difficult for me to motivate myself to do work.  I also have been spending the little bit of free time I have trying to pretend that I'm not in law school and reconnecting with my old life -- going to shows, hanging out with creative/musician types, etc.  But this has been making me feel like law school may have been a bad choice for me.

But I still like the content of the readings (just not the amount), and I'm psyched for my summer job.  So I think I either am going to be one of those people who prefers practice to law school, or I'm just going through growing pains realizing that maybe Biglaw isn't for me and that I'll be more at home doing public interest stuff, financial ruin be damned.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 08, 2009, 04:22:02 PM
And that's why I think there are so many unhappy lawyers.  You really need passion to grind through literally thousands of pages of law under pressure and still stay sane.  How are you going to read cases, take depositions, and prepare motions for days on end who you can't handle a few hours of it in the library?

But I shouldn't judge, lest I be judged.  (And people do tend to judge.)

It's not just your conjecture; studies show that lawyers (and law students) are depressed at higher rates than the average population. 

I know that personally I am NOT judging them.  If you don't like the law, you don't like the law.  Everyone has different interests/goals/etc.  In fact, I feel bad for them, and I really hope that they will enjoy practicing much more than law school. (And there is hope; I have a good friend who is a lawyer who HATED law school, but loves practicing law.) 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: just some guy on March 08, 2009, 05:48:42 PM
I'm happy all of you went to law school.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: no634 on March 12, 2009, 12:11:21 PM
Yes. UMN Law = the business.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Matthies on March 12, 2009, 12:52:37 PM
Christ I canít wait for it to be over. Granted I have been in law school since some of you were seniors in high school. I think back to 1L and I think I remember enjoying it. Itís not that I donít enjoy law school now, I do, Iím just burnt the F out after five years of it. I have not been to class in two weeks, likely will skip tonight. I just canít get myself to care at this point what with nine inches of fresh pow in the mountains tonight. I will say Iím not looking forward to the bar exam, Iíd rather stay unmotivated in law school for another year than try to remember all that crap right now. It is what it is at this point for me.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Contract2008 on March 12, 2009, 05:13:19 PM
Christ I canít wait for it to be over. Granted I have been in law school since some of you were seniors in high school. I think back to 1L and I think I remember enjoying it. Itís not that I donít enjoy law school now, I do, Iím just burnt the F out after five years of it. I have not been to class in two weeks, likely will skip tonight. I just canít get myself to care at this point what with nine inches of fresh pow in the mountains tonight. I will say Iím not looking forward to the bar exam, Iíd rather stay unmotivated in law school for another year than try to remember all that crap right now. It is what it is at this point for me.

What's your story again?   Part-time, right?  Which law school are you at?  How old are you and what kind of job do you have? 
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Matthies on March 12, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
Christ I canít wait for it to be over. Granted I have been in law school since some of you were seniors in high school. I think back to 1L and I think I remember enjoying it. Itís not that I donít enjoy law school now, I do, Iím just burnt the F out after five years of it. I have not been to class in two weeks, likely will skip tonight. I just canít get myself to care at this point what with nine inches of fresh pow in the mountains tonight. I will say Iím not looking forward to the bar exam, Iíd rather stay unmotivated in law school for another year than try to remember all that crap right now. It is what it is at this point for me.

What's your story again?   Part-time, right?  Which law school are you at?  How old are you and what kind of job do you have? 

Part time plus an LLM/MLS, Denver, old enough, offers but not doing what I want to pratcice so have not accepted anything yet, I'm pretty picky about what type of law I'll do, if I can't do that I'll go back to my old proffesion.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: stricly bricly on March 12, 2009, 05:30:07 PM
yes.  and on days that are not the days before a final draft of a brief is due, i would even describe myself as "thrilled."
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Eugene Young on March 12, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Brief due tomorrow,  so at the moment, no. But usually, yes, but not because I particularly enjoy  law school. I've met some really good people, and there are others I'd gladly push into an oncoming locomotive and hope they end up like the one-armed kid in Erie. OK Maybe not that harsh, but you get the point. But right now with this friggin' brief deadline staring me in the face, I rue the day I sent in my seat deposit.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Contract2008 on March 12, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
Brief due tomorrow,  so at the moment, no. But usually, yes, but not because I particularly enjoy  law school. I've met some really good people, and there are others I'd gladly push into an oncoming locomotive and hope they end up like the one-armed kid in Erie. OK Maybe not that harsh, but you get the point. But right now with this friggin' brief deadline staring me in the face, I rue the day I sent in my seat deposit.

What law school are you attending?
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: jack24 on March 13, 2009, 08:40:03 AM
My attitude about law school varies, but it seems to meander around 3 types of feelings.

1: I love learning about the law. I love discussing and arguing about legal topics and public policy.
2: This really won't apply to my career.  All of this legal theory, analysis, and "thinking like a lawyer" are fun, but I need to get out into the real world and start actually learning how to practice law.
3: I could do just about as well on finals if I just stayed home and studied on my own rather than go to class.  Class time takes 16 hours a week when it only needs to take about 6.  Also, Mr. Glannon seems to explain Civ Pro more efficiently and effectively than my distinguished, and very experienced Professor.

Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 13, 2009, 01:02:22 PM
Whenever someone asks me how I like to law school, I can't help but respond with an "it's alright..."  

I think at the base I'm more of a macro thinker, and a good portion of law school has been a lot of nuts & bolts that frankly, in many cases, I find uninteresting.  To be fair, there are also a good amount of opinions that I have found fascinating purely because they relate the nuts & bolts to the grand scheme of things.

In any case, it is impossible to be intelligible without having a firm grasp of the nuts & bolts (e.g. reporters).  

So it is kind of bitter sweet for me.  On the one hand, I know that what I'm doing is useful, but on the other hand I look forward to days where I will not have to focus so much on the small picture.  

I'm in about the same boat. I like law school well enough (when nothing is due) and I know I've learned a lot, but I think a lot of the time it's really boring and there's a ton of wasted time.

So yeah, I'm happy I went, but I'll be a lot happier when I'm done and can get on to getting paid.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Contract2008 on March 13, 2009, 04:27:11 PM

I'm in about the same boat. I like law school well enough (when nothing is due) and I know I've learned a lot, but I think a lot of the time it's really boring and there's a ton of wasted time.

So yeah, I'm happy I went, but I'll be a lot happier when I'm done and can get on to getting paid.

Do you have any offers for the summer?
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 14, 2009, 11:41:42 PM

I'm in about the same boat. I like law school well enough (when nothing is due) and I know I've learned a lot, but I think a lot of the time it's really boring and there's a ton of wasted time.

So yeah, I'm happy I went, but I'll be a lot happier when I'm done and can get on to getting paid.

Do you have any offers for the summer?

Nah, haven't been looking too hard. Next week maybe I'll ramp it up, maybe. I'm not expecting much in this economy.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Contract2008 on March 15, 2009, 09:11:28 AM
Nah, haven't been looking too hard. Next week maybe I'll ramp it up, maybe. I'm not expecting much in this economy.

You would be if you're at UF law.   ;D


Are you currently a 1L or 2L?
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 15, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
You would be if you're at UF law.   ;D

Haha.  I enjoyed this. 
 :P
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 15, 2009, 11:45:33 AM
Nah, haven't been looking too hard. Next week maybe I'll ramp it up, maybe. I'm not expecting much in this economy.

You would be if you're at UF law.   ;D


Are you currently a 1L or 2L?

If I was at UF, the only thing I'd be expecting is malaria from a mosquito. ;)

1L
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Contract2008 on March 15, 2009, 01:19:40 PM

Haha.  I enjoyed this. 
 :P


Thank you, thank you, thank you!   ;D
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 15, 2009, 02:15:52 PM
Nah, haven't been looking too hard. Next week maybe I'll ramp it up, maybe. I'm not expecting much in this economy.

You would be if you're at UF law.   ;D


Are you currently a 1L or 2L?

If I was at UF, the only thing I'd be expecting is malaria from a mosquito. ;)

1L

If UF and FSU students can get along, then why can't the entire world?  We should all be holding hands and singing "kumbaya!" :D
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: "That One" on March 15, 2009, 04:03:27 PM
I will be happy when it is over
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: mtbrider59 on March 16, 2009, 11:28:49 AM
Yes, definitely
There have been times(i.e. during exam week that it was a bummer) Overall, I'd say that once you get in the groove its almost fun.
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on March 16, 2009, 11:35:14 AM
ask me now, yes; ask me 48 hours ago, no

What happened 48 hours ago?
Title: Re: 1Ls: Are You Happy You Went to LS?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 16, 2009, 12:43:25 PM
ask me now, yes; ask me 48 hours ago, no

I get this one sometimes too.