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When faced with such a difficult decision, it all comes down to which school has the best food...
All kidding aside, the difference can be summed up as follows: where will YOU be more comfortable? trying to divine a meaninful difference based on statistics is pointless.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UCLA v. Fordham
« on: June 25, 2006, 07:53:30 PM »
I know this is probably a no brainer for many, but personal circumstances are making this a very difficult decision.  My fiance and I were planning on heading back to New York (we are currently living in LA) and he has accepted a transfer back to NYC.  Up until about a week ago, I did not even think I was going to LS this year until I was accepted off both schools waitlists.

My fiance is now furious at me, thinks that I should reconsider being a lawyer altogether since, according to him I won't be able to have kids or a normal family life.  I know he wants me to either give up on ls all together or else go to Fordham so he can move back to NYC.  Am I being stupid for even thinking of doing this? 

I should say as well, that he is from New Jersey, I am from Cali.  We met four years ago in NYC and about two years into our relationship he accepted a job in LA.  I was pissed, but after 9 months of him begging and us living long distance, I left my job in New York and followed him here.  I was the one who initally wanted to move back as I had a sucessful, lucrative career in New York that I gave up when I moved to LA.  I only applied to UCLA in the first place because he thought we were going to be in LA for a while. 

Now, he is making me feel guilty for wanting to go to law school and guilty for wanting to go to UCLA, since, according to him I hate LA so much.  According to him, I am uncertain as to whether I really want to practice law... I do get scared about the commitment and fear not having a family, but deep down I worry that if I don't at least try it, I will regret it and wonder "what if" the rest of my life.  I have told him that I would 100% rather be in New York too, but am I stupid for turning down UCLA for Fordham?   
Your situation transcends the issue of law school. To what extent do we sacrifice for our spouse? To what extent should we risk taking on education in a field we may end up hating, and incurring large expenses, when by doing so we will also upset our spouse. This calculus only you can make. Further, it involves issues about which you cannot know.

And no, your not stupid. Either UCLA or Fordham would educate you just fine. I suspect that which school is best for you depends less on the school and more on where you are--LA or NYC. If you loved NYC and hated LA, you'd do better at Fordham. If you really didn't want to be in NYC and loved LA, UCLA would be better. But again, yours is more complicated than that, and involves what may be of far greater concern--marital discord. Law school is toxic on relationships--I know this all too well. Even in the best of circumstances, with fully supportive spouses, law school is tough!  If you stay in LA, your relationship will be harmed. If you go to NYC, it will be harmed. You are in a lose-lose situation, and I hope you guys can come to some sort of agreement.

I wish  I had better advice, but I don't think anyone can really give you advice on this issue. NOt everyone goes to the school that they really want to go to, either for financial or personal reasons--not to mention the reality that at least 90% of persons would rather go to a school they didn't get into or couldn't get into. But rest assured, your career won't be ruined because you had to go to Fordham over UCLA, or assured because you went to UCLA over Fordham.


Although "Neither school is a top school," don't be suckered into believing that there is no difference between them. I know that as a BLS student I am biased, but in speaking to lawyers & judges, BLS is MUCH more well respected. Lawyers know that even though we aren't ranked as high as some schools, our school as a reputation for producing excellent lawyers. I'm not pulling this out of my *ss, it is what numerous lawyers & judges have told me first hand.

I'd stipulate that Brooklyn Law is statistically "better" than NYLS. Moreover, I'd stipulate that it has a better reputation than NYLS. The OP is not inquiring whether school X is better than school Y, but whether given A and B she should attend school X over Y in light of Z financial considerations. Whether the opinion of judges or attorneys regarding reputation will have greater impact than the financial realities the OP suggests is really the issue.  I don't think i implied there is no difference between the two. In fact, if there weren't, the OP probably wouldn't have raised the issue. After all, I don't see too many persons turning down NYU for a free ride at NYLS.

I recieved a call from denever this week making an offer. Last week a buddy was accepted after he was denied months back. what's up with this? are many schools renigging on dings and making moves in the 4th quarter of the law school admissions game?

Their admissions office did a very poor job of anticipating the interest in their school among those that they gave acceptances to.

I know NYLS is Tier 3, but is it more recognized in terms of IP Law and the IP firms than Brooklyn?  I've never really heard of Brooklyn being touted as a major IP school.  Anyone have any information/advice?  Should I still take Brooklyn because it's ranked so much higher than NYLS?  I do want to practice in IP when I'm done LS.  I've heard that the schools for IP in NY are Fordham>Cardozo>NYLS. 

Would appreciate any advice.

Neither school is a top school, so take NYLS $$, do well, and move on. Keep in mind many schools many not tout an IP program, but have just as many electives. In reality, electives in law school are rather superfluous--an IP firm would prefer to hire a top contracts student than a mediocre IP student any day.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Moving out of Law School Region
« on: June 25, 2006, 02:10:48 PM »

How difficult is it to get jobs/ summer associates etc. outside of the region/city of your school?

In my case I am thinking of attending ASU over USD, but am interested in getting a job in southern california afterword.  I don't want to hurt my chances of getting as good job as i can and am willing to work hard to find a job, do my summer associates there etc.  Would i be shooting my foot in order to go to a school i connected with more and to get a new experience?


-Hot Rod

IN short, its hard even if you are local.It is much, much harder if you are not.

Yeah, your right, if you want to make a lot of money, your own talent--not the school's name--will determine your fortune. If, however, you wish to enter certain prestige-obsessed areas of law (Big-City Biglaw, Academia, Judicial Clerkships, etc.), it does pay off, in the end, to suck up the cost and attend a top school (By "Top" I mean Georgetown or better), not so much that you can't succeed by going to "lesser" schools, but because it will be hard to get noticed otherwise.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What is Appropriate Law School Attire?
« on: June 25, 2006, 02:01:01 PM »
Barring a school specific dress code, what do you all consider to be appropriate law school attire? I don't want to be a total slacker by wearing the usual jeans and t-shirt everyday, but wearing a dress shirt and tie all the time would most probably kill me, being a born westerner...

I have to laugh. When I started law school I assumed persons would be dressed more "professionally" than they did in undergrad. Nah, flip flops, t shirts, shorts and jeans was the overwhelmingly preferred style. Just be yourself.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone getting cold feet?
« on: June 25, 2006, 01:58:46 PM »
Or am I the only one that is wondering whether or not I am doing the right thing by going to law school?

If you are, its common. Law school is unlike anything else--you can't really tell if  you will like it unless you actually do it. In my case, I was very motivated, confident in myself, and excited to start. After a few months of it, I realized that I didn't like either it or law in general. No one was more positive beforehand than I, and no one more down on law school than I now. You never know...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: how much money do u need to make?
« on: June 25, 2006, 01:56:09 PM »
things really have changed in the last 20 or so years.  used to be a modest blue collar job worked by one person in the house would get you a decent middle class (if not at least a lower middle class lifestyle).  nowadays though, things are a little different, it typically requires 2 working people in the house with white collar jobs to get that middle class lifestyle.

so how much money does it take to live a comfortable life.  i know it varies based on where your living, but what do u think the difference is.  like how much does it take to live comfortably in some different cities:

San Fransisco

Part of the problem is the definition of "middle class" has changed dramatically over the past 20 years. When I grew up, only doctors drove Mercedes. Now, the chick who works a cash register at Safeway drives one (albeit leased). People's standards have changed, and now going out to eat twice a week, driving a midsized import, and vacationing is the norm. Part of this leads to "AFFLUENZA," a current disease afflicting many families today:  their incomes have gone up dramatically, but to have "what everyone else has" it takes that income, without stopping to realize they have a lot more than they had as kids.

In determining how much one "needs to live" in different areas, one has to determine if you wish to buy a house or not. Nowadays, 30 year old lawyers can't afford houses in San Francisco and LA, but 50 year old janitors can--courtesy of of home equity. If you are starting out from scratch, and you want "what everyone else has," it will likely take $150,000 a year per family in high-COLA areas, and $85-100 in low-COLA areas. But things change--I couldn't live like I live now if i bought my house just two years later than I did...

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