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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2007, 10:35:06 PM »
there are no black immigrants...there are only immigrants...


immigrants usually come from other countries and specifically identity with their native land...

get your facts straight.


You are correct in saying that immigrants identify with their native land, but if these people are racially identified as black and immigrate to the United States, or any other country for that matter, I believe they would fall under the title, black immigrants. Racial identity, and national identity are not one in the same.


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You are a crazy cool new poster.  In light of this fact, I feel it necessary to advise you never to engage bluewarrior on his own terms.  His delusions are contagious -- before you know it, "px.o.rsta" will start to mean something. 

Please avoid this at all costs.  Happy posting to you!


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(By that, I mean he's a hideous troll and not worth your time.)

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2007, 01:43:26 AM »
just because aye make you think.


 
there are no black immigrants...there are only immigrants...


immigrants usually come from other countries and specifically identity with their native land...

get your facts straight.


You are correct in saying that immigrants identify with their native land, but if these people are racially identified as black and immigrate to the United States, or any other country for that matter, I believe they would fall under the title, black immigrants. Racial identity, and national identity are not one in the same.


Dear SweetEpiphany:


You are a crazy cool new poster.  In light of this fact, I feel it necessary to advise you never to engage bluewarrior on his own terms.  His delusions are contagious -- before you know it, "px.o.rsta" will start to mean something. 

Please avoid this at all costs.  Happy posting to you!


Love,
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(By that, I mean he's a hideous troll and not worth your time.)





...allow the new posters to engage in their own free thought and bury your own head back in the sand...

your niggling remark is a common attack and frankly, the new posters, WILL make their own decisions...and aye ain't going anywhere...

so don't be scared... ;)

you don't understand the tag: "px.o.rsta"?  somebody, please help this poor child out.

lets see??? are you attacking something which you don't understand?

education is your answer...


aye am a troll? :D :D :D :D and when did you first sign on to this board???



Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2007, 06:31:37 AM »
there are no black immigrants...there are only immigrants...


immigrants usually come from other countries and specifically identity with their native land...

get your facts straight.


You are correct in saying that immigrants identify with their native land, but if these people are racially identified as black and immigrate to the United States, or any other country for that matter, I believe they would fall under the title, black immigrants. Racial identity, and national identity are not one in the same.


Dear SweetEpiphany:


You are a crazy cool new poster.  In light of this fact, I feel it necessary to advise you never to engage bluewarrior on his own terms.  His delusions are contagious -- before you know it, "px.o.rsta" will start to mean something. 

Please avoid this at all costs.  Happy posting to you!


Love,
Nibbles




(By that, I mean he's a hideous troll and not worth your time.)


Thanks for the advice. I will take caution.  :)

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #73 on: May 06, 2007, 04:04:24 PM »
sweet epiphany,

aye have a problem with people assuming that race actually means something...some on this board have a problem with the fact that aye point out that they fail to apply logic to a term which people incorrectly throw around all the time.

sorry if others sway your opinion...as a trini aye think calling someone "black" is a passe term...bigoted and colorist and most importantly ignorant...it MOST certainly is not a race.

...no need to reply to this as aye am sure someone else will do it for you. ;)

good luck and remember...

beware the big bad BLUEwarrior. ;) :D :D



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there are no black immigrants...there are only immigrants...


immigrants usually come from other countries and specifically identity with their native land...

get your facts straight.


You are correct in saying that immigrants identify with their native land, but if these people are racially identified as black and immigrate to the United States, or any other country for that matter, I believe they would fall under the title, black immigrants. Racial identity, and national identity are not one in the same.


Dear SweetEpiphany:


You are a crazy cool new poster.  In light of this fact, I feel it necessary to advise you never to engage bluewarrior on his own terms.  His delusions are contagious -- before you know it, "px.o.rsta" will start to mean something. 

Please avoid this at all costs.  Happy posting to you!


Love,
Nibbles




(By that, I mean he's a hideous troll and not worth your time.)


Thanks for the advice. I will take caution.  :)

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2007, 07:53:02 PM »
sweet epiphany,

aye have a problem with people assuming that race actually means something...some on this board have a problem with the fact that aye point out that they fail to apply logic to a term which people incorrectly throw around all the time.

sorry if others sway your opinion...as a trini aye think calling someone "black" is a passe term...bigoted and colorist and most importantly ignorant...it MOST certainly is not a race.

...no need to reply to this as aye am sure someone else will do it for you. ;)

good luck and remember...

beware the big bad BLUEwarrior. ;) :D :D

Interesting to say the least. I will say that just because of your own beliefs, you should not put down the thoughts and ideas of others, but that would be a respect issue and would allow for more free flowing intellectual discourse. To agree with what you said, Race is a passe term, but that does not make it real. Race is a sociological construct used to in fact separate and place people into groups. Now since it is a consrtuct, this mean it is MAN made, now it might NOT be "real" or mean something to you, but to many it does. In fact they based thier entire lives around it.

Now can it be disconstructed? YES and it is up to individuals like yourself to further educate, not obliterate, the others. If we choose to not use that term it would help the community a little more, but is that a fight that we need to overall spend a significant time on??? Me I would say maybe, but I am an idealist. It is like the argu8ment on the N word, should we focus our attention and energy on eradicating a word from AA's vocabulary soley because of its history or should we continue the mantra of we have changed the meaning and it no longer has that power (Sorry, not meant to HijaCK). Again I am an idealist, so when I look at it I would say, NO, but then I would say YES, because those two thigns would assist in the movement and progression of AA's towards better self image and improving how one feels about themselves. If you call yourself Black, you are referring to a color that has many negative conotations, yet if you refer to yourself as an African American, Trini American, African Brit or whatever you now have reconnected with your past, your HISTORY and made it YOURSTORY and now you have a bit of identification and feel the need to have something to live up to. Whereas many feel that they have no history, but being slaves and it reflects in many's slave mentality.

Sorry for being so long, but I was reading this and I like having intellectual conversation. Thanks again for humoring me and again these are my opinions based on my life and research being a sociologist. Many, I am sure willnot agree, but that is what provides for intellectual discourse as long as it remains RESPECTFUL! Thanks ;D ;D ;D

On a side note what does "px.o.rsta" mean?

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2007, 10:34:45 AM »
sweet epiphany,

aye have a problem with people assuming that race actually means something...some on this board have a problem with the fact that aye point out that they fail to apply logic to a term which people incorrectly throw around all the time.

sorry if others sway your opinion...as a trini aye think calling someone "black" is a passe term...bigoted and colorist and most importantly ignorant...it MOST certainly is not a race.

...no need to reply to this as aye am sure someone else will do it for you. ;)

good luck and remember...

beware the big bad BLUEwarrior. ;) :D :D

Interesting to say the least. I will say that just because of your own beliefs, you should not put down the thoughts and ideas of others, but that would be a respect issue and would allow for more free flowing intellectual discourse. To agree with what you said, Race is a passe term, but that does not make it real. Race is a sociological construct used to in fact separate and place people into groups. Now since it is a consrtuct, this mean it is MAN made, now it might NOT be "real" or mean something to you, but to many it does. In fact they based thier entire lives around it.

Now can it be disconstructed? YES and it is up to individuals like yourself to further educate, not obliterate, the others. If we choose to not use that term it would help the community a little more, but is that a fight that we need to overall spend a significant time on??? Me I would say maybe, but I am an idealist. It is like the argu8ment on the N word, should we focus our attention and energy on eradicating a word from AA's vocabulary soley because of its history or should we continue the mantra of we have changed the meaning and it no longer has that power (Sorry, not meant to HijaCK). Again I am an idealist, so when I look at it I would say, NO, but then I would say YES, because those two thigns would assist in the movement and progression of AA's towards better self image and improving how one feels about themselves. If you call yourself Black, you are referring to a color that has many negative conotations, yet if you refer to yourself as an African American, Trini American, African Brit or whatever you now have reconnected with your past, your HISTORY and made it YOURSTORY and now you have a bit of identification and feel the need to have something to live up to. Whereas many feel that they have no history, but being slaves and it reflects in many's slave mentality.

Sorry for being so long, but I was reading this and I like having intellectual conversation. Thanks again for humoring me and again these are my opinions based on my life and research being a sociologist. Many, I am sure willnot agree, but that is what provides for intellectual discourse as long as it remains RESPECTFUL! Thanks ;D ;D ;D

On a side note what does "px.o.rsta" mean?


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I really appreciate you taking the time to spell the obvious out to bluewarrior.  Chances are he's just going to nitpick at details, so don't get your hopes up.  I agree with you, by the way.

And it means "Peace out, rasta."

@#!* you, blue.

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2007, 04:05:02 PM »
I've seen mention of the mentality of black Americans in this country, as it relates to our level of acheivement and black immigrants levels of acheivement.  but does anybody think black immigrants are granted a degree of respect from "the man" for the mere fact that they have a nationality, and land, and a government that is theirs.  a highly simplified example would be if a head of state from the tiniest poorest cpountry in africa comes to america, he would be greeted as a head of state, and given time to politic with the president etc...Bush wont meet with the NAACP.  indeed, we can't even agree if they represent us.  I mean, some proffessional athletes and poets are given access, but come on... 

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2007, 06:24:39 PM »
I've seen mention of the mentality of black Americans in this country, as it relates to our level of acheivement and black immigrants levels of acheivement.  but does anybody think black immigrants are granted a degree of respect from "the man" for the mere fact that they have a nationality, and land, and a government that is theirs.  a highly simplified example would be if a head of state from the tiniest poorest cpountry in africa comes to america, he would be greeted as a head of state, and given time to politic with the president etc...Bush wont meet with the NAACP.  indeed, we can't even agree if they represent us.  I mean, some proffessional athletes and poets are given access, but come on... 

as baldwin said, we are native sons, but bastards at that...  

Not sure this accurately reflects why it is that Bush is willing to meet w/ Africans and not w/ certain African-Americans.  I think the fact is just that many Africans who come to the United States come from wealthy or politically powerful families that lend them a certain amount of clout, and, in turn, recognition and attention from the President, especially if they come from a country of strategic importance. 

Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2007, 06:54:10 PM »
I've seen mention of the mentality of black Americans in this country, as it relates to our level of acheivement and black immigrants levels of acheivement. but does anybody think black immigrants are granted a degree of respect from "the man" for the mere fact that they have a nationality, and land, and a government that is theirs.  a highly simplified example would be if a head of state from the tiniest poorest cpountry in africa comes to america, he would be greeted as a head of state, and given time to politic with the president etc...Bush wont meet with the NAACP.  indeed, we can't even agree if they represent us.  I mean, some proffessional athletes and poets are given access, but come on...

as baldwin said, we are native sons, but bastards at that...   

from some of my studies this is partly true.  white people have reported feeling less threatened by immigrants since they weren't as hostile towards them for past racism in the sates and such.

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Re: Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2007, 04:03:57 AM »
"Not sure this accurately reflects why it is that Bush is willing to meet w/ Africans and not w/ certain African-Americans.  I think the fact is just that many Africans who come to the United States come from wealthy or politically powerful families that lend them a certain amount of clout, and, in turn, recognition and attention from the President, especially if they come from a country of strategic importance.  "

I can agree with that, but really we are headed to the same place despite my poor, admittedly highly simplified example.  The fact of the matter is we have no one who represents our interests in the high political spheres.  It should be our congressmen, and senators, but gerrymandering and our low population takes care of that.  And the most blatant example: dc not having the vote (my prediction) until the next phase of gentrification is complete.  Yes, it's not about just DC.  How many urban centers have the same interests as DC residents (now, mostly black)?  Many.  At any rate, blacks in the US are virtually powerless politically, which has lead to a historic inability or highly restricted ability to ascertain and retain wealth.  We do not have an army or natural resources.  The fact of the matter is we are virtually powerless, and receive NO respect - at home, and evidently, abroad.