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Current Law Students / Re: Non traditional students.......
« on: July 23, 2007, 01:21:43 PM »

I am an entering 1L student and I just turned 32.  What I can say is this:  For the last 4 years, I worked full-time and attended a 4 year, selective, private university~ while working full-time.  I also have a daughter that I am raising.  By the end of the 4th year I was on anxiety drugs.

Entering law school, I made a couple of decision.  I reduced my debt down to just bare essentials and I will be quitting my job.  I am taking out loans to live on.  However, I can't imagine trying to pull down the first year of law school and work too.  I have seen the schedule and WOW, is all I have to say.  Attending school and raising my child, while working would have been impossible. And she is most important to me.

So, I would say, if you can~quit.  Make law school your job.  The investment you make now will be worth it 10 years from now (or at least some very wise attorneys have told me).

Prosecution, specifically in the domestic violence unit.  However, my guess is that money may prevent me from this.  With that in mind, second is Family/ADR.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Willamette, Class of 2010 Thread
« on: August 06, 2007, 09:09:30 AM »
That is some great info willamette.  Thanks for taking the time to post it.

For anyone taking the LSAT, location matters!!!!!

Before registering for a site, go and visit it.  See if you can find out what room it is administered in.

This sounds like a trivial thing, but believe me it is not.  I originally scheduled my LSAT exam for Sept of '06, but was seriously unprepared, so rescheduled for December. I had to change locations.  While I knew where it was being tested at, and had been on the college campus, I did not think about enviornment or anything.

Test day comes.  I feel prepared and psyched out.  And then:  Band practice downstairs, co-eds running through the halls, and an air-conditioner that is broken.  I kid you not.  If this sounds trivial to you, believe me it is not.  It seriously breaks your concentration.  I scored much, much, much lower than any practice exams that I took (and I know that lower is expected, but this was EXTREME).

Take this test seriously, and make sure you know the site.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Willamette, Class of 2010 Thread
« on: July 31, 2007, 01:01:39 PM »
Hey everyone.  Just found this thread.  I am admitted for Willamette '10.  I actually live in Salem and have lived here most of my life.  PM me if you have any questions.  I also was an undergrad at Willamette.  Skip the meal plan.  The food is not THAT great.  There is a Safeway about 5 blocks from campus.

I received the pre-orientation packet the 27th.  Hopefully you all have yours now.  They included reading.

Good luck with your re-locations and since the school is so small, I bet we all run into each other!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: The Official I'm Going to X School Thread
« on: July 31, 2007, 12:54:51 PM »
Willamette '10

You got it;)  Do you deal well with state agencies and cranky, smelly truck drivers that call you sweetie and babie sometimes honey, and will say, "Who's your daddy?"  :o

I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.

She has a bank account too!

Truth be told, the problem with most nontrads is they failed in their prior career. Cut the crap and admit you wouldn't be going to law school if you had done well in your last attempted profession. Law school is your last chance at a steady income, or so you think.

A nontrad is like the old vagabond free agent in football. Young students are like the #1 draft pick.

Okay, I may be responding to a troll who just likes to pick fights, but here we go anyway.

I am a nontrad student who works in a very successful family-owned business.  I actually did not go to college right out of h/s because I could not afford it amd instead I worked.  I am giving up GREAT pay and benefits to pursue a law degree.  I am also giving up the right to take over said family business when parents retire.  It is my belief (as idealistic as it sounds) that each person has a purpose or calling in life.  I fell in love with the legal system, sitting on the knee of a family friend who was a circuit court judge, at the age of nine.  But sometimes life gets in the way.  I married young, had a child, and put aside and ignored my dream.  So for me, I did not fail at what I was doing, give that up and go to law school.

A person would have to be an idiot to have failed at one business and then take on the study of law.  Most law students have type A personalities, which push them to be highly competitive and highly successful professionals.

Oh, and to sc3, leave Joey alone!!!!  :)  Not his fault he was stuck with the Lions.

Okay, I am an entering 1L this year.  However, my last semester of undergrad (this winter/spring) I had to write a 60 page thesis for a required senior capstone, plus take an additional 4 classes.  This was an overload of credits.  The research for the thesis was insane (I wrote my thesis on Domestic Violence and Family Violence Option for TANF Welfare Recipients).  Anyway, I am a mother of a very active eight year old.  It was doable, just.  I had to manage my time REALLY well.  Make a schedule for yourself and keep to it.

At many points you are going to be pushed to set your priorities.  Sometimes you will feel torn in two.  You are going to have to decide what comes first:  child or top 10% of the class.  This is sad but true.  That semester was the toughest I have ever had.  But I am glad that I went through it because I feel that I am prepared for what is to come.

My advice is to set aside at least one day where you have mommie/kiddo time.  This is a non-study don't even look at the books day, wholy devoted to family.  Mine was from 5:00 pm on Friday evenings until 8:00 pm on Saturday nights.  I did not even think about school on this day.  We had family fun friday nights and spent real time together on Saturdays. 

You might find that you are more healthily balanced than other students which will equal a whole lot less stress.

Good luck.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: cold feet
« on: July 31, 2007, 11:33:34 AM »
hi, i am a non trad. i am accepted at a good law school, i have a good scholarship, and i think i can make a law degree work for me. i took a law class last year and liked it immsensely.

but i am still not certain i want to be an atty. and today, i started reading all these other articles saying don't go to law school unless you know you want to be an atty, and about how many leave within five years, etc. i've read them before...but they are scarier to me now.

and now--the day i was going to tell my boss i was leaving--my heart is pounding.

My questions are, are most of you non trads 100 percent sure you want to practice law?  am i too old (over 30) to pursue a JD if i am not certain i want to be a lawyer?

or maybe i am just freaking out b/c it's very real. i keep telling myself, i can leave law school if it's not right for me.

Okay.  Let's go through this logically (oh gosh, I can't believe I am saying this).  I am an entering 1L myself.  I am also a non-trad student (32, and a single parent raising an 8 year old).  This past week has found me questioning, requestioning and triple questioning myself.  I think this is the normal, healthy process.

For me, I have, since the age of nine, wanted to practice law.  Life got in the way, and 10 years later than I planned, here I am.  But, for the first time in 16 years, I will not be working.  I have worked in my family-owned business for almost 10 years.  To pursue the law, I have to give up everything that gives me safety and that is what is scaring the bejesus out of me.

A law degree opens the door to many other avenues.  Many ex-lawyers I know teach, work for non-profits, work in government.  If you don't end up practicing, it won't be the end of the world, there will be other avenues out there waiting to be explored.

Think hard, but don't psych yourself out.  Don't expect it to be easy.  Remember that us "older" non-trads bring a different perspective and experience.  I have been told, we will actually have an easier time finding positions, although not in bigfirms, because of "real world" experiences that those younger than us lack.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

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