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Incoming 1Ls / Let's talk about printers
« on: July 11, 2007, 01:38:15 PM »
(I think we might need a technology subforum here)

Anyways, I'm switching from PC to Mac, and it appears that my four year old printer will not be able to make the switch with me. Apple is offering $100 rebates on several types of printers you can buy, but they are all of the ink-jet variety.

I've never owned a laser printer, but I'm thinking they may be preferable for law school purposes since they'll be better for resumes and lengthy documents and such. If I can settle for black & white, they're not too expensive. Would a laser printer be worth it over a free or very cheap (after rebate) ink-jet? If I went that route would a fairly inexpensive b&w laser printer be sufficient? (I see some on amazon for $99)

Any input from current law students who print stuff or laser printer people would be appreciated :)

Incoming 1Ls / 2006-2007 Admissions Cycle - The Awards
« on: May 14, 2007, 03:52:22 PM »
Inspired by a couple of threads - which of the schools you applied to wins the following: (my apologies in advance for those who only applied to one or two schools)

Best/worst visit/ASW?
Best/worst Admissions office
Best/worst promotional materials
Best/worst acceptance/rejection notification
Best free stuff?
Best/worst moment of cycle
Invent your own award!

Most importantly, who won your deposit check?

My winners:

Best visit: Michigan; met lots of awesome LSDers, got to stay for three nights, weather was surprisingly good :)
Worst visit: Georgetown; Too many people there, my student host was a jerk

Best admissions office: Michigan; Dean Z. Enough said.
Worst admissions office: NYU

Best promotional materials: Columbia - very impressive binder
Worst promotional materials: Cornell; most of their stuff was pretty good - but the 'Ithaca - Gorges & Waterfalls' travel guide they sent me (by itself, no accompanying letter) was just too much.  ::) x 100.

Best acceptance: Penn phone call three days before Christmas - Dean Post is pretty awesome, and it was my first t10 acceptance.

Best free stuff: The Columbia Guide to New York is pretty cool and will come in handy even though I'm not going there. Free book from Penn was nice too, even though I haven't gotten around to reading it.

Best moment of cycle: Walking out onto the law quad after the faculty reception during the Michigan ASW - was really the turning point from having no idea where I wanted to attend to starting to make a decision.

Worst moment of cycle: Tie between any moment spent filling out Need Access.

Winner of deposit check: Michigan.

Choosing the Right Law School / Michigan vs. NYU
« on: April 01, 2007, 08:00:21 PM »
Barring a surprise acceptance to Harvard, it's between Michigan and NYU for me.

The fact that I've been bringing this up in Michigan threads is probably telling, but I figured I should make a thread in order to get the pro-NYU side too :)

I want to go to law school in Ann Arbor, but I think NYU is a better school.

The finances? are a bit tricky at this point. With 50K at NYU and 54K at Michigan, the initial edge is to Michigan given NYC's cost of living. However, my parents are considering moving within commuting distance of NYC (they already live in North Jersey). If I lived with my parents, NYU would be somewhat cheaper. If I didn't, NYU would be somewhat more expensive. I don't particularly wish to pay $1500 a month to live on-campus or live with my parents though.

Definitely interested in public interest or government work, and I think NYU is a better school for that. NYU's very good LRAP does alleviate some concerns if I end up spending more to go there. I think NYU is slightly better overall when it comes to career prospects, and I feel that's a very good advantage to have. I'm coming straight from UG, and I'm far from having the most exciting personality (read: probably won't be that great when it comes to the interviewing/networking), so I feel that even a slight advantage in what the school can offer in terms of career prospects is important to me. Michigan is the old established school and NYU is the up and comer, so while they have similar reputations, there might be a slight edge to NYU in the momentum category.

I loved Ann Arbor when I was there (granted, in the spring). For UG I go to a largely commuter school without a football team in a boring suburb, and Ann Arbor is everything I didn't get in college. I like NYC, but I don't think I'm a big city person and I don't know if I want to put up with the cost and other assorted hassle that goes with living there. There's a very good chance I'll be living a large portion of my life in or around a big city as a lawyer, so spending three years in a place like Ann Arbor appeals to me.

Thanks to the NYU scholarship deadline, I have nine days to decide. I've been leaning towards Michigan ever since I got back from the ASW but open to any comments :)

Law School Admissions / W&M Admitted Students - Mousepad or Coaster?
« on: March 08, 2007, 07:44:35 PM »
I just got a package from W&M today - they sent me a keychain and either a coaster-sized mousepad, or a coaster that feels just like a mousepad. I'm leaning towards the latter, because it's really too small to fit a mouse on. Plus I have an optical mouse, so yeah, I wouldn't use it as a mousepad anyways.


Law School Admissions / Smile
« on: February 19, 2007, 03:39:59 PM »
Looks like some people are a bit stressed out now that rejections and waitlists are coming in (or just general waiting for four months).

To help alleviate, I present cats x thousands:

This is just one cat picture, but it's totally awesome:

Please feel free to post your favorite smile inducing content.

Law School Admissions / I've never been so excited to check the mail
« on: January 06, 2007, 12:33:01 PM »
Well, I just got back to my on-campus apartment after 18 days away from it (and my mailbox). First thing I do is go to check the mail - but oh no, the front office is only open on Saturdays from 7PM-9PM (limited winter session hours!).

T-3 hours 30 minutes.....

(it's really horrible that law school applications have turned into this)

Feel free to share other mailbox frustrations/triumphs!

Law School Admissions / GULC admitted students website is up
« on: December 22, 2006, 06:25:13 PM »
I saw a few people asking about it today.

The website is up and active at:

Law School Admissions / Washington and Lee acceptance
« on: December 18, 2006, 08:36:37 AM »
Got my acceptance into W&L today - dated Dec 14. Came in a small white envelope with one page letter. Asked me to inform them if I was interested in being considered for an Honor Scholarship via email before Jan 10.

Just curious, does LSAC send you an email when they have recieved and processed a LOR for you? Would save me the time of checking their website everyday if they did :)

Law School Admissions / Let's make a general Applications FAQ
« on: August 23, 2006, 01:11:51 PM »
I think it might be a good idea. Once it is finished it could be stickied. Please post if you have any corrections or additions. Here's what I have so far, obviously this is quite incomplete:


Where can I find a list of everything I need to do?
Go to the 'What Do You Need To Go Complete?' thread:,67296.0.html

With my GPA of X, what LSAT should I plan to get to get into school Y?
You'd be stupid to go for anything other the best score you can get.  Worry about school Y when you get your LSAT.

Okay, I took the LSAT. Where can I plug in my LSAT and GPA score to find out my chances of getting in?

When does School X start accepting apps?
Check the list:,69208.0.html. If your school isn't there, check their site and reply to the thread with the info you find.

What's Early Action and Early Decision? Which one is binding and which one is non binding?
Generally, Early Action refers to a program in which you apply early  (by October or November) and receive a decision early (by December). You are not bound to attend if you are accepted and you are not required to make a decision earlier than a normal applicant. You may apply to multiple Early Action programs.

Early Decision usually refers to a program in which you apply early (about the same timetable as Early Action) but are contractually bound to attend the school if you are accepted. If you are accepted, you are expected to withdraw all other applications. You are only allowed to apply Early Decision to one school.

Some schools do not use the traditional early decision/action terminology. Texas, for example, has a Early Decision program that is not binding and resembles the Early Action program described above. Make sure you read all the fine print for any Early Action/Early Decision programs you apply to.

How much money do I need for all this?
If you haven't registered or taken the LSAT yet, you will need $116 to register, plus money for any needed preparation materials.

Registration for the LSDAS costs $109 (one time fee). You will need $12 for each LSDAS report you need (one for each school you apply to) in addition to each school's application fee. Most schools charge about $50-$80. Some schools offer application discounts if you submit electronically.

Dean's Certificate? WTF?
This link tells you all you need to know:,46044.0.html

What books can I read to find more information on applying to law school
The Ivey Guide to Law School Admissions, Anna Ivey:
How To Get Into The Top Law Schools, Richard Montauk:

Fee Waivers

How do I get a fee waiver?
To receive merit based fee waivers, you should sign up for the Candidate Referral Service on the LSAC website. If you have registered for the LSAT or LSDAS you may have already registered for CRS. To check, go to --> Online Services --> Profile --> Authorization.

To receive a need based fee waiver, fill out the application on the LSAC website. Go to Online Services --> Fee Waiver.

Ahh, I haven't gotten any fee waivers yet and I'm signed up for CRS. Am I screwed?
No, many high scoring LSD posters here have not yet received fee waivers. As of August 23rd, only about a dozen or so schools have sent out merit fee waivers. Many more schools will begin to send out fee waivers later in the application cycle.

For more information about fee waivers and which schools have sent them, go here:,68633.0.html


What's LSDAS?
The Law School Data Assembly Service. This service analyzes your transcripts and sends reports to each law school you apply to which include your transcript report, your LSAT score, and your letters of recommendation. If you are applying to ABA approved law schools, you need to register for this?

How do I get LSAC to analyze my transcript?
You will need to request a transcript sent from all colleges and universities you have attended. You can not send them your own transcript. Go to Online Services --> My Docs --> Forms and scroll down to Transcript Request Form. Click on your college name and print out the form. Have your school send that form along with your transcript to LSAC.

How do they calculate my LSDAS GPA?
LSAC converts your grades to a standard 4.0 system. Some class grades are excluded from conversion. Your LSDAS GPA may be different than the GPA on your transcript. For more information on how they process transcripts, see page 27 of

What's their GPA rounding policy?
They round up if the thousandths digit of the GPA is 7 or higher. Therefore a 3.576 GPA gets rounded down to 3.57 while a 3.577 gets rounded up to 3.58. See this thread for more details:,68604.0.html


What's the LSAC Letter of Recommendation service (LOR)?
It is a service that allows recommenders to send one LOR to LSAC and have that letter copied and sent to all schools you are applying to.

Do I have to use this?
Most schools have a separate LOR form attached to their application that they allow you to use instead of the LOR service.

Do any schools not allow the LOR service?
As far as I can tell, all schools allow LORs to be submitted through LSAC. A few schools (most notably Stanford and Columbia) prefer their own form used instead of the LOR service. Check their websites for details.

Online Applications

How do I get the online applications to work in Firefox?
The Omniform Internet Filler plugin that you are asked to install automatically list Program Files\Internet Explorer\plugins as its destination folder.  During setup you have to change this to point to Firefox.  In the window that that gives you three options for installing the plug-in (Netscape, IE, Standalone) click the "Location" button next to the Internet Explorer option and do the following in the window that opens:

1. Click on Program Files
2. Scroll down and click on Mozilla Firefox
3. Scroll down and click on Plugins.
4. Click OK.
5. Make sure install for use with Microsoft Explore is selected and continue with installation

After installation, restart the browser and it should work perfectly.

Why is IE giving me a hard time when I try to download this Active X control to use the applications?
You need to add LSAC to your Trusted Sites zone. Go to Tools --> Internet Options --> Security tab. Hit Trusted Sites and click on the Sites button. Add "*" (without the quotes) to the Trusted Sites zone.

How do I save my applications?
Hit the submit button on the toolbar near the top. Although it says submit, it will simply save your application (your application won't yet be submitted to schools).

How does the Common Information Form work?
Open up the Common Information Form, fill it out with your information. When you start a new application, the information from the Common Info form will transfer onto the new application.

If you edit your Common Information form after you begin an application, the changes will not transfer to each individual application. You will need to make the changes on each application.

Do make sure to thoroughly check the responses to each question filled in by the Common information form - sometimes it does not transfer information properly.

If I want to add an addendum explaining my low LSAT score, do I have to mail that in?
No, you can attach it electronically. There is a field on each school's online application page that allows you to attach files to your application. You can use this to attach your addendum as well as your personal statement, resume, etc. You can upload files of the following types: DOC, RTF, TXT, HTML, WP, WPD, WPT and PDF

Can I submit my ED contract/Dean's certification/instate tuition form online?
No. Those and any other forms from the 'Supplementary Forms' link must be printed out and mailed to the schools.


Can I attach a resume instead of answering these questions about work and ECs in these tiny spaces on the application?
Many schools request that you answer those questions on the application, even if you are also submitting a resume. It's probably a good idea to answer them unless you're told something to the effect of 'you may attach a resume in lieu of answering these questions'.

One page or two?
The debate rages on:,69361.0.html


Thanks to contributors bass, East of Ann Arbor, and BrerAnansi.

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