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Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #140 on: February 15, 2006, 02:04:36 PM »
Illinois outside of Top 25 is a joke. This latest admissions cycle was of their most selective, their median LSAT will be all jacked up for USNWR.

And Iowa? Honestly?

This is what I was thinking. I still have to read about 5 more pages on this thread but UIUC outside of the T25 next year or the one after seems crazy. I see no reason for them to go down in the rankings.

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Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #141 on: February 15, 2006, 02:32:18 PM »
Zim...why is uconn basketball so outstanding, while its football team so terrible?


We should have USA Today and AP Polls for law schools.

Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2006, 06:34:02 AM »
why does anyone believe the economy is in the tank? It's at its best levels in 5 years, the unemployment rate is low and the stock market is ralling. IF it were the case that the economy is poor, how would this help private schools? If it were the case,I would think it would help public schools with lower tuition rates and therefore less debt coming out of graduation.

Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2006, 06:34:13 AM »
Penn State - some were debating, here and elsewhere, merits of it going up due to new campus construction etc. I think this letter points to other factors, such as previous years' classes getting into positions whereby they can influence rankings, as well as PS reach into other new areas to expand its recognition....ps - i am not an admitted student, i just have connections


"Finally, I cannot overstate how extraordinarily exciting and unique the Law School’s future operation as a single law school with two locations will be.  In this design embedded with the $100 million capital investment, the addition of outstanding new  faculty appointments, in 2007 the inclusion of the School of International Affairs, and the addition of two new law school clinics (Political Asylum and Child Advocacy), there has never been a time that the trajectory of Penn State Dickinson School of Law has looked better!  Many of you have shared with me your desire to be a part of the creation of new traditions of the Penn State law school.  I think that’s a noble endeavor and look forward to working with you to establish our future!

This winter, we have begun to review possible design models of our signature new facilities at both our University Park and Carlisle locations.  The architectural firm, the Polshek Partnership (www.polshek.com), will present final design plans early this summer. We expect to break ground this fall with a plan to occupy the new facilities in both locations as early as the fall of 2008.

 Our substantial and well appointed transition space has been secured in Carlisle, where we will operate the law school in its entirety, thus, circumventing the inherent problems when construction projects are phased.  The inaugural class at University Park will enjoy classroom space, the law library, the faculty and administrative offices in the Beam Building, with some classroom space in the adjacent, new Smeal School of Business building.  Recognizing the importance of having a cadre of upper class law students as classmates and colleagues for the inaugural first year class at University Park, we will permit some second and third year students to enroll in upper level courses and engage in the life of the law school at University Park.  We’re looking forward to these exciting endeavors and hope that by joining our future you’re vesting in your own future. 

Some of the early reactions to our future have come from the legal community.  Our director of career services, Assistant Dean Gicine Brignola (gpb100@psu.edu), reports that our fall on-campus recruitment visits included some of the top law firms in New York City and the largest firms in Philadelphia.  She also reported that we continued our strong tradition of sending our graduates to firms in Wilmington, Delaware, a city that many consider to be the corporate capital of America.  Five members of the Class of 2006 have accepted federal clerkships.  One of our third year students accepted a position in the Washington D.C. Office of Public Defender.  This public defender position is often considered one of the most competitive legal jobs in the country to secure.  This year, over 700 3L’s from around the country applied and following several months and rounds of a very, very rigorous screening process---the PD accepted only four! We’re all very proud that a Penn State Dickinson School of Law graduate is one of the four! 

Our relationship with Washington D.C. doesn’t stop there!  This year we began our Washington Semester Program.  This spring we have students interning and receiving a full semesters’ worth of academic credit  at the US Department of Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control; the US Securities and  Exchange Commission; US Department of Health and Human Services, Office for Civil Rights; US-China Economic Review and Security Commission;  US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia; US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Office of Federal Operations Appellate Review Programs; and US House of Representatives, Office of Congressman Todd Platts (R-Pa).  Not only are our students gaining valuable educational experience, but it’s quite likely that permanent professional opportunities may result from these externships."

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Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2006, 07:03:00 AM »
why does anyone believe the economy is in the tank? It's at its best levels in 5 years, the unemployment rate is low and the stock market is ralling. IF it were the case that the economy is poor, how would this help private schools? If it were the case,I would think it would help public schools with lower tuition rates and therefore less debt coming out of graduation.


I feel like if the economy is better, the only effect would be on the lower tiered schools.  Less people would be applying (which is the case) so there will be less people to fill up the T2-4 spots (the T1's will always have enough people, although they might eventually have to be a little less picky)... 

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Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2006, 10:56:33 AM »
I agree the economy is beginning to show some signs of life, but it still stinks.  As long as oil prices stay this high and we have troops in Iraq (I am in favor of this, by the way) I really don't see it getting much better.  My point about public schools was this: 
States cannot spend all the money they want like the federal government, they are required to have balanced budgets (for the most part) so when the economy stinks, states are not pulling in as much tax revenue and certain things have to be cut.  Education is generally something that always gets cut, and since public universities are receiving less money from the state governments, they can either raise tuition or cut expenses to make up for this.  Private universities that do not count on government money do not suffer as much in a poor economy because there are generally enough students willing to go there and pay the high tuition.  I suppose the point where this would begin to show in law school rankings is when bright professors are lured away from public schools because the public universities cannot match the offers the private schools are throwing at them.  I don't think we are at this point yet, but it may not be that far away.

Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2006, 11:21:52 AM »
Yeah, but good state-affiliated professional schools (UVA, Texas, etc.) tend to have fat endowments and deregulated tuition, which takes state support almost out of the equation.
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Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2006, 12:33:43 PM »
how do u all think that miami and ou r going to fair this year?

Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #148 on: February 17, 2006, 02:47:08 AM »
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I agree the economy is beginning to show some signs of life, but it still stinks.

Pay attention to the news, dude.  The economy is in better shape than it was before the crash of 99-2000.

Duh.

Re: US News Ranking 2007 Predictions
« Reply #149 on: February 17, 2006, 11:21:04 PM »
Yeah, but good state-affiliated professional schools (UVA, Texas, etc.) tend to have fat endowments and deregulated tuition, which takes state support almost out of the equation.
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Yes, I happen to hold the law school at my state's flagship university in high esteem, as do many people in the legal profession. Regardless, my point about endowments at state-affiliated law schools insulating them from the whimsy of legislators stands.

To put Texas rather than Mich and Boalt isn't defensible on any level