I heard about this story when it aired. Every single day the doctors had to decide whether or not to abandon the baby as hopeless. It's not a normal outcome in any sense.
Total regression: sperm and egg are viable; masturbation and menstrual cycle are murder.
Quote from: Bran on April 12, 2007, 10:27:43 PMI disagree.Didn't want to touch it, but yes, there are worse things than not existing.
I disagree.
I would also add that the law can and often does define the unlawful killing of a fetus as homicide while still not defining the fetus as a human being.Quote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:21:39 PMQuote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:18:01 PMQuote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:14:46 PMThe new record is 21 weeks:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17304274/site/newsweek/As science gets better, fetuses start turning into people.Indeed, 21 weeks is a bit over half a pregnancy; now what are the potentially horrible side effects of being born that premature? How many babies survive when born that premature?1. The side effects are not as bad as being dead.2. This was the first baby and not likely the last.I disagree.
Quote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:18:01 PMQuote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:14:46 PMThe new record is 21 weeks:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17304274/site/newsweek/As science gets better, fetuses start turning into people.Indeed, 21 weeks is a bit over half a pregnancy; now what are the potentially horrible side effects of being born that premature? How many babies survive when born that premature?1. The side effects are not as bad as being dead.2. This was the first baby and not likely the last.
Quote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:14:46 PMThe new record is 21 weeks:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17304274/site/newsweek/As science gets better, fetuses start turning into people.Indeed, 21 weeks is a bit over half a pregnancy; now what are the potentially horrible side effects of being born that premature? How many babies survive when born that premature?
The new record is 21 weeks:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17304274/site/newsweek/As science gets better, fetuses start turning into people.
Quote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:30:41 PMQuote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:25:24 PMI heard about this story when it aired. Every single day the doctors had to decide whether or not to abandon the baby as hopeless. It's not a normal outcome in any sense.Yet. But as technology advances...Quote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:25:24 PMTotal regression: sperm and egg are viable; masturbation and menstrual cycle are murder.Sperm is not a developing human life. An egg is not a developing human life.Combine the two bolded statements. One day, I may have children through an asexual process... you know... as technology advances.
Quote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:25:24 PMI heard about this story when it aired. Every single day the doctors had to decide whether or not to abandon the baby as hopeless. It's not a normal outcome in any sense.Yet. But as technology advances...Quote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:25:24 PMTotal regression: sperm and egg are viable; masturbation and menstrual cycle are murder.Sperm is not a developing human life. An egg is not a developing human life.
Quote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:30:41 PMSperm is not a developing human life. An egg is not a developing human life.A fetus, like a sperm or an egg, is a potential human life. What's the point of this framing game?Quote from: brown on April 12, 2007, 10:31:52 PMQuote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:28:30 PMQuote from: Bran on April 12, 2007, 10:27:43 PMI disagree.Didn't want to touch it, but yes, there are worse things than not existing.I think you can only decide that for your own life.You said that death is worse than these consequences. If you can say that, I don't see why I can't say that these consequences are in fact worse than death.You're close to making a point, however.
Sperm is not a developing human life. An egg is not a developing human life.
Quote from: this little piggy on April 12, 2007, 10:28:30 PMQuote from: Bran on April 12, 2007, 10:27:43 PMI disagree.Didn't want to touch it, but yes, there are worse things than not existing.I think you can only decide that for your own life.