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Charlotte, NC:  I don't recommend if you're a young single person.  Mediocre at best night life, very family oriented, difficult to meet people.  On the flip side, you're only three - four hours away from the beach and a couple hours away from the Appalachian Mountains.  Cost of living is pretty cheap, especially if you don't live in Uptown, Dilworth, Southend, or Southpark.  Traffic isn't too bad but the city is outgrowing some of its existing roads and freeways.

Charleston, SC:  Great place to live, awesome night life and there's a ton of bars and restaurants.  Isle of Palms and Folly Beach are both nice beaches and great places to hang out.  The cost of housing is pretty high but everything else is pretty cheap.  Girls will love the shopping on King Street.  Traffic sucks and is made worse by all the old people and tourists in town, but if you live and work downtown, you never really have to get in your car.

The weather is pretty good in both places.  It can get pretty hot in the summer (mid-to-upper 90's) but you get used to it after a few years.  It only snows once or twice a year at the most.  Since I've been down here from Michigan (roughly 13 years ago), we've only had heavy snow twice.

Definitely second this one!!!  If not to live, definitely an awesome place to visit.


Super friendly, voted most mannered for the last decade

Superb QOL--you just can't beat it in the summer

Insane golf courses- charleston's hosting the Senior PGA Championship this weekend



Moderately Priced Housing



No major sports teams--Panthers and Hurricanes are shared with NC

Not exactly Rodeo when it comes to shopping

Large gap b/w Rich and Poor

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: May 22, 2007, 03:12:04 PM »
Here's a map:

It'd definitely be cool if you did...You can give me the skinny on the nicer neighborhoods (I hear petty crime is kinda bad) and the cool places to hang out.  Check your in-box around the 3rd or so.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: May 21, 2007, 04:19:34 AM »
I can't speak to UM, but I know quite a bit about UA.  The curve is a mixed blessing because there are no plus or minus grades.  It hurts to be in a small section knowing that there are only 6 As available.

If you really want to live in Arizona over the long haul, you can't beat UA.  Incoming 1Ls will also have the added advantage of spending their last 1 or 1.5 years in the remodeled school, which is going to be really nice.  Next year is construction, but another new building will be the temporary campus -- and it will probably be better than the current campus.

thanks for chiming in...I actually know a decent bit about UM, its UA that I don't know much about...I was thinking the same thing about the curve so glad you mentioned it.

I'm headed out there next week for about 8 days so I will look at Tucson and Phoenix and see if they are towns I could see myself living in long term....You mentioned UA being good for staying in AZ long term.  What do you think about escaping to CO, CA, or WA?  I looked at the employment statistics and it definitely seems possible.  I think the website mentions that outside of AZ, San Diego, LA, San Francisco, and Seattle are the biggest markets where grads end up.

I didn't know the temporary building was new...I guess if that will be better than the current, the remodeling isn't so bad afterall.  Are you a student there now?

that comment about Miami being the sixth burrough is a laugh...I'm sure the partners at Cravath feel the same way.  one thing i forgot to mention is make sure you account for the gpa you must maintain in order to keep your scholarship at Miami...remember (and not to insult your intelligence here) if they say you must maintain a 3.0, find out what percentage of the class gets a 3.0...if its less than 50% look out.  you will be competing with much smarter people in law school than you were in UG so don't assume any class rank.

If you got into Iowa and Wisc., you definitely deserve the scholarship at UM....But, it seems like they give them out like candy down in the Gables....I don't think its possible for everyone to keep them.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: May 15, 2007, 03:20:53 PM »

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: May 11, 2007, 07:47:25 AM »'re right.  Thanks!

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: May 10, 2007, 02:09:27 PM »
Hope no one minds me hi-jacking just a tad....its just that the frequency of posts has somewhat died down since this thread began and I'm in a similar situation and didn't want to start a new thread...Anyway, I'm still having a tough time deciding...What would you all do??

Tale of the Tape:

No geographic preference for after graduation...Although, based on a cost of living calculator I referenced, $110K in Phoenix = $122K in Miami...


Cost of Attendance W/Scholarship- $72K
Scholarship guaranteed all three years

Tier 1

6% Judicial Clerkship

smaller, close knit community

Low cost of living


Cost of Attendance W/Scholarship- $99K
Scholarship contingent on performance

Tier 2

4% Judicial Clerkship

~1200 students

High cost of living

You'd think this would be easy...Its just that I know nothing about AZ.  FWIW, I'm going to visit UofA in June.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: May 04, 2007, 02:02:54 PM »
Thanks for the residency info...

Looks like most lost interest in this thread...I did have one question though, Does anyone know how harsh the curve is at UofA???  I think this might be relevant to the OP's original question b/c he/she wants to know opportunities available to a student in similar standing at both. Its just that we don't necessarily know what one would have to put into getting in the top15% at UofA and the top15% at UMiami...For what its worth, I've heard the curve at UM is pretty harsh.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: April 29, 2007, 06:47:51 AM »

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: April 29, 2007, 06:43:17 AM »
Keep in mind that Phoenix is a huge city, and there are only about 300 graduates each year from UofA and ASU combined.  In contrast, Miami has over 400 students per class.  Plus Miami students must compete with the graduates from the higher ranked University of Florida and Florida State which have 400 and 250 students per class respectively.  Then there is the additional competition from graduates of east coast schools at Miami.

The question is whether the ratio of (new grads)/(available large firm jobs) is better in Miami or Phoenix.  Is there some sort of empiricle measurement of the number of jobs each year available to BigLaw-seeking graduates in Miami and Phoenix? 

This is an outstanding point, and something I never really considered until now...Also, a question one should ask is, "how long after ls am I limited to where I begin my career?"  "Would it be easier to move from Miami to another city in FL after three years or easier to move to L.A. after working in Tucson/Phoenix?"  I know the OP wants to settle wherever he/she attends school, but things may always change.

Also, it seems from what UofA sends, a large portion of the class is working for Mid-to-Large Sized firms, doing a Judicial Clerkship, or doing something for the Government.  These are all difficult to get.  UofA's career services office has made this info readily available.  While I still may attend UM, I'm trying to figure out what UM grads NOT getting these Biglaw jobs are doing???

I remember your helpful advice when I inquired about Miami a few months ago and I do always appreciate your input.  I think you are right about differences in rank being minute after the top 30/40 or so...but I STILL think there is something to be said about a school in the top50, even if it is low Tier1...It has to be there for a reason.  Also, UofA is making big improvements to the facilities, maybe it'll break the top30 or so by the time 2010 rolls around.

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