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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How old will you be...
« on: April 27, 2008, 09:55:24 AM »
I will be 33.  I didn't realize how old that sounds until I just typed it!

   I'll be 32 or 33 as well.  It'll be strange to suddenly have my peers being so much younger than me

   That being said, I at 22 was completely unprepared for something like law school. I guess that's why I'm gonna be old when i graduate. :)

I've loved this part.  :D  I spent my 20s in a career field that's still dominated by Old White Men, so I was really sick of being treated like (and often mistaken for) someone's 16 yr-old daughter.  Hooray for being one of the old ladies of law school! 

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
« on: April 27, 2008, 09:41:44 AM »
So... looks like I'm going to Michigan!  Never thought I would leave NYC but Michigan just seems too great to pass up!  I'll be there in the fall barring a wait-list acceptance from Columbia (which is very unlikely)

I'm getting excited... :)

Um, are you me?

Or me, for that matter?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How old will you be...
« on: April 25, 2008, 04:15:50 PM »
32. 

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Law School Admissions / Re: Business cards: yay or nay?
« on: April 25, 2008, 02:05:49 PM »
We gained this perspective from talking to career services, chatting with attorneys from the firms you want to work at, or asking or own contacts.  You can't figure out what attorneys think of law students by chatting to other 0Ls and confirming to each other that you're just going to snap up all the jobs with your brilliant networking idea that nobody has ever thought up before.  I learned quickly during law school that this side of the board is just the blind leading the blind.  You guys are lucky they mushed them together!


Jesus f-ing Christ, I'm tired of this blind arrogance.

I am a law student.  I talked to career services.  I talked to attorneys at firms and organizations I want to work at.  I've consulted my own contacts.  I even read a bunch of books.  My information is exactly the opposite: a business card is a fine way to represent yourself if it's tasteful, not misleading, and distributed in the right context. 

Look, we get that you don't really have to network because of your 1337 skuul, and that you think cards are douchey, etc. etc. etc.  But quit thinking you're some high-flying bigshot just because you used to post on the Student board.  The advice Matthies and I are giving is drawn from years of collective experience, some in and some not in law school.  I can say that, on three separate occasions already, I was asked for a business card during informal gatherings and was embarrassed not to have any.  Furthermore, it would've been highly worth my while in a few other situations to have had them to distribute to non-lawyers with whom I had long and engaging conversations about potentially useful ventures. 

If you don't want cards, that's great.  But you're a fool to suggest to others that they're useless.


Hehe...I was wondering when someone was going to explain to our little 1L friend from Oz that he's not the only law student on this site.  

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Law School Admissions / Re: Business cards: yay or nay?
« on: April 25, 2008, 12:46:56 PM »
Whether it's a school related networking function or an outside event, I don't see how the benefits of having a card are going to outweigh the potential negative reflections of prospective employers.

If you meet someone that you've hit it off with and they're truly an important resource for you, then you should be the one that goes out of your way to contact them. If you're put in the rare, yet unfortunate bind of being asked for a business card, you can simply offer them your cellphone number (which can be inputted into their cell phone in seconds) or mention that you will include your contact information in the follow up email you're going to send anyway. If things have gone well up until the point where the party has asked you for your information, their opinion of you isn't going to change because you don't have a card with that information readily available. And since you're going to be following up with them on your conversation anyway, the other party isn't going to need your contact information until they respond to you. And if you're worried that they're going to forget who you are, they're not going to fish through their wallets for one of the thousand or so business cards they receive on a monthly basis (from actual professionals and not students) and miraculously recall who you are. If you've made a good impression with them, they're going to remember events and specific conversations and recall who you are by noting the "My name is Bob Smith, and we discussed X, Y, and Z at the (insert event here)" sentence of your email/phone call.

On the other hand, handing out a business card (even a generic one with only contact information) sends the following messages: (1) I'm so arrogant that I made a business card even though it's not commonplace amongst law students (2) Implicitly suggests that the lawyer/judge/insert relevant person should contact the student, and not the other way around and (3) At the end of the conversation, reaffirms the idea that "hey the only reason I talked to you was to land a job." And if this poll is indicative of how the general legal population feels, for every person who views your business card as a sign of professionalism, there are going to be two others who view it as the ultimate sign of douchebaggery.

Since when does LSD represent the general legal population? 

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Current Law Students / Re: And Done.
« on: April 25, 2008, 12:45:21 PM »
I'm done with 2L whenever I can get my ish together enough to do my last exam (8-hr takehome) and finish a short paper.  Blech.  But then the real fun begins - after my class work and before I leave, I have to edit and page proof an entire journal issue. 

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
« on: April 24, 2008, 05:07:52 PM »
You could live on Mars and still get way too much time with everybody in your section, so I really wouldn't worry about meeting people if you're at all outgoing.     

Can I get an 'Amen'? 

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Your Son Or Daughter In 20 Years
« on: April 24, 2008, 10:32:23 AM »
Considering that 20 years from now, any child of mine will be (at most) 19 1/4 yrs old, I'll tell him or her to wait until he/she's a grownup to go to law school. 

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
« on: April 23, 2008, 12:04:07 PM »
fwiw, I think I'm trading down when I buy my new computer this summer - I've loved the MBP (and I LOVE the way it looks), but I miss the ultraportability of a smaller laptop, and the top-of-the-line Macbooks are as much computer as I need.  I'll probably use the extra ducats on a monitor or an iMac for home. 

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Law School Admissions / Re: Business cards: yay or nay?
« on: April 23, 2008, 11:56:31 AM »
My favorite part of all of this is yellowbrickroad's whole "zomg! those recruiters are in their 30s" line.  Umm, so are lots of us.  

And as a thirtysomething who's already had a professional career, you bet your britches that I have business cards.  Even at a T14.  I have no definitive proof that they've ever helped, but they've certainly never hurt, and I've gotten positive feedback about how polished and professional they made me look.  It's like everything else in life - you just need the social graces to know when they're appropriate and when they're not.  

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