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Title: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: ilove on July 15, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
anyone know how Law School adcoms in the US view Canadian undergraduate degrees?

I hear the name/reputation of UG schools do not significantly affect your application, but it would still be interesting to note how a degree Made in Canada would fare in the minds of US law schools.

Are Canadian UG degrees generally lumped into the "international" category?  or are we shown more love by certain schools?

looking forward to an interesting discussion.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: papercranes on July 15, 2008, 09:01:13 PM
this has been discussed before. Search around.

Bottom line. It doesn't seem to make much, if any, difference.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on August 22, 2008, 12:25:42 PM
With the exception of UofT, McGill, and maybe Queens it will just look like another university.  No worries...there are far more American universities that I'm sure the adcoms aren't entirely familiar with.  I went to Ryerson and got into Fordham, Emory, BU (with $), and U-Miami.  I'm sure where I went for undergrad did not matter one bit. 
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: Astro on August 26, 2008, 10:18:36 AM
With the exception of UofT, McGill, and maybe Queens it will just look like another university.  No worries...there are far more American universities that I'm sure the adcoms aren't entirely familiar with.  I went to Ryerson and got into Fordham, Emory, BU (with $), and U-Miami.  I'm sure where I went for undergrad did not matter one bit. 

And Queens?  LOLz!
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on August 26, 2008, 10:28:54 AM
With the exception of UofT, McGill, and maybe Queens it will just look like another university.  No worries...there are far more American universities that I'm sure the adcoms aren't entirely familiar with.  I went to Ryerson and got into Fordham, Emory, BU (with $), and U-Miami.  I'm sure where I went for undergrad did not matter one bit. 

And Queens?  LOLz!

What's funny?
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: meggo on August 26, 2008, 11:36:18 AM
I think the one thing adcomm's may keep in the back of their mind is that grade inflation is lower in Canada than in the US, though that doesn't mean they'll admit someone with a 3.0. I'm sure they're familiar with a variety of schools though, some schools post which universities make up their university class and I remember reading Harvard's one year and it included people from U of T, U of S, UBC, McGill, Western, Dal, and a couple others (though, not Queen's).
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: Astro on August 26, 2008, 03:36:18 PM
With the exception of UofT, McGill, and maybe Queens it will just look like another university.  No worries...there are far more American universities that I'm sure the adcoms aren't entirely familiar with.  I went to Ryerson and got into Fordham, Emory, BU (with $), and U-Miami.  I'm sure where I went for undergrad did not matter one bit. 

And Queens?  LOLz!

What's funny?

Dude, that university is run of the mill.  The only four Canadian universities that show up on the world radar on a yearly basis are U of T, McGill, UBC, and U of A, roughly in that order.  They're also the only four for which I've managed to find evidence of being ranked by some American universities.  However, basically, U of T and McGill are the only two that provide any real help to your chances, unless a particular law school you're applying to has ties to a particular Canadian school.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on August 26, 2008, 06:03:09 PM
With the exception of UofT, McGill, and maybe Queens it will just look like another university.  No worries...there are far more American universities that I'm sure the adcoms aren't entirely familiar with.  I went to Ryerson and got into Fordham, Emory, BU (with $), and U-Miami.  I'm sure where I went for undergrad did not matter one bit. 

And Queens?  LOLz!

What's funny?

Dude, that university is run of the mill.  The only four Canadian universities that show up on the world radar on a yearly basis are U of T, McGill, UBC, and U of A, roughly in that order.  They're also the only four for which I've managed to find evidence of being ranked by some American universities.  However, basically, U of T and McGill are the only two that provide any real help to your chances, unless a particular law school you're applying to has ties to a particular Canadian school.


Well..at least in NY, Queens is much more well-known and well-regarded than UBC or UofA.  I am pretty sure that it isn't run of the mill either.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: meggo on August 26, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
I think it just depends who you interact with. There's no point debating it since I know loads of people from my province who haven't heard of Queen's, and I've met people internationally who would have heard of U of C but not U of A. And I think we can all acknowledge that U of T is probably the most well known, not necessarily even as being the best, but simply by being located in the most well known Canadian city. On your LSDAS academic summary it tells the adcomm's (who have probably received applications in the past from people from your school) how you fit in with your overall school. Is 50% of your school all have 4.0's just like you? Or are you part of 1% of people who have a 4.0, whereas 75% have a 3.25. That's what adcomm's will focus on, not whether you went to Queen's or U of S or U of C or Dal or wherever.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: Migrate on August 26, 2008, 08:39:26 PM
The common understanding is that admission to canadian UG are not by any means competitive (compared to the U.S.), and thus if you don't have a really good GPA, it will likely have an adverse effect on your app, even if you go to one of the "prestigious ones." One of my frieds went to UT, did really well and a really good LSAT (172), and didn't crack top 5.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: wyatth on February 10, 2009, 11:57:48 AM
Very interesting.
I am an American but attend UBC... Will be returning to the US for LS and hope I didn't shoot myself in the foot. :) I am applying to west coast schools, so who knows.. ahh...
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on February 10, 2009, 12:02:09 PM
Very interesting.
I am an American but attend UBC... Will be returning to the US for LS and hope I didn't shoot myself in the foot. :) I am applying to west coast schools, so who knows.. ahh...

You didn't.  I went to Ryerson (not exactly the most prestigious Canadian university, but a good one to non-elitists) and I'll be entering Cornell this fall. 

The poster above you must have had a friend who 1) applied too late in the cycle, 2) didn't have good softs, 3) wrote a poor personal statement, or 4) some combo of the above.  Doing really well in any undergrad and getting a 172 should have been autoadmit at NYU, which (last I checked) is top 5.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: nerfco on February 10, 2009, 01:04:25 PM
Very interesting.
I am an American but attend UBC... Will be returning to the US for LS and hope I didn't shoot myself in the foot. :) I am applying to west coast schools, so who knows.. ahh...

Doubt it would. I went to UBC for undergrad, and currently attend UChicago.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: wyatth on February 10, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
Thanks, guys.
My GPA isn't too hot but I hope my LSAT/PS/EC, etc can at least get me into LMU, SCU, USD, etc...

Good luck to you all in your studies.

I'll be visiting my mom in Chicago next week (she's a prof).

W
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: dashrashi on February 10, 2009, 04:51:41 PM
There's a girl at HLS who went to Queen's. I think she had a stellar GPA and something like a 171.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: wyatth on February 10, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
I am not worried so much about my Diploma saying UBC, but more about GPA conversions. The grading systems is so different here (10% lower, roughly, with a % given and a letter, but no "GPA").

W
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: mark_darcy on February 12, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
there are about 70 Canadians at HLS right now.

Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 27, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
And I think we can all acknowledge that U of T is probably the most well known, not necessarily even as being the best, but simply by being located in the most well known Canadian city.

UofT is most definitely the best.

But then again, I can see why non-UofT undergrads would use baseless logic to try to degrade it's reputation. It's only the university with the strongest funding, the best scholarship and the most internationally recognized faculty in Canada.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on April 27, 2009, 04:14:03 AM
And I think we can all acknowledge that U of T is probably the most well known, not necessarily even as being the best, but simply by being located in the most well known Canadian city.

UofT is most definitely the best.

But then again, I can see why non-UofT undergrads would use baseless logic to try to degrade it's reputation. It's only the university with the strongest funding, the best scholarship and the most internationally recognized faculty in Canada.

Eh, it is well-known in certain circles, but I think McGill carries as much academic goodwill as UofT.  Then again, I am from the Northeast, so perceptions may be different here than they are in the States in general.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 27, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
And I think we can all acknowledge that U of T is probably the most well known, not necessarily even as being the best, but simply by being located in the most well known Canadian city.

UofT is most definitely the best.

But then again, I can see why non-UofT undergrads would use baseless logic to try to degrade it's reputation. It's only the university with the strongest funding, the best scholarship and the most internationally recognized faculty in Canada.

Eh, it is well-known in certain circles, but I think McGill carries as much academic goodwill as UofT.  Then again, I am from the Northeast, so perceptions may be different here than they are in the States in general.

McGill is a great school, but it has a slightly inflated reputation relative to it's output.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 27, 2009, 08:08:51 AM
McGill is a great school, but it has a slightly inflated reputation relative to it's output (i.e. in terms of publications, research, nobel prize winners, etc).

Anyway, saying that UofT's repuation is inflated because it's located in Toronto makes one wonder why Ryerson and York aren't better known.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on April 27, 2009, 08:40:30 AM
McGill is a great school, but it has a slightly inflated reputation relative to it's output (i.e. in terms of publications, research, nobel prize winners, etc).

Anyway, saying that UofT's repuation is inflated because it's located in Toronto makes one wonder why Ryerson and York aren't better known.

Because Ryerson is young and York blows?
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 27, 2009, 08:46:22 AM
McGill is a great school, but it has a slightly inflated reputation relative to it's output (i.e. in terms of publications, research, nobel prize winners, etc).

Anyway, saying that UofT's repuation is inflated because it's located in Toronto makes one wonder why Ryerson and York aren't better known.

Because Ryerson is young and York blows?


lol.... nice.


But RyHigh isn't that young. :P
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on April 27, 2009, 08:54:39 AM
It's only been a UNI for about 15 years.  That's pretty young.  It will take awhile to overcome it's polytech past..
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 27, 2009, 01:11:58 PM
It's only been a UNI for about 15 years.  That's pretty young.  It will take awhile to overcome it's polytech past..

I'm just trying to heckle the Ryerson boy.

Ryerson's business school has gained much repute over the years, especially since the construction of their new facilities. Were you still there when the new building was finished?
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on April 28, 2009, 04:26:07 AM
Yea, I had Entrepreneurial Finance in that building my last year.  They had awful heating issues.  It was a solid 32 every class >:(
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 28, 2009, 08:25:45 AM
Yea, I had Entrepreneurial Finance in that building my last year.  They had awful heating issues.  It was a solid 32 every class >:(

Sweet. Think of it this way, no need for the sauna.
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: CTL on April 28, 2009, 08:27:33 AM
It got my female colleagues to dress accordingly ;D
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 28, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
It got my female colleagues to dress accordingly ;D

Damn. Now I wish I went to RyHigh. All I got in UG were frumpy UofT girls. :(
Title: Re: perception of a Canadian UG degree by American adcoms?
Post by: !закон и право! on April 28, 2009, 06:08:21 PM
bump.