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Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: TraciRai on October 30, 2007, 09:42:04 PM
People are busy, but you're surrounded by the same people all day, every day... it's like high school.  But the excessive drinking is legal.  And don't date anyone in your section!
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: studymaster on November 01, 2007, 05:18:54 AM
id rather cut my own male private part than attempt to date anyone during 1L, much less date someone in the law school

Should this tell us about the undesirability of relationships in law school in your eyes, or an enthusiastic endorsement of self-genital-mutilation
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 01, 2007, 05:43:40 AM
People are busy, but you're surrounded by the same people all day, every day... it's like high school.  But the excessive drinking is legal.  And don't date anyone in your section!

Unconditional sex is ok though, right?
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: TraciRai on November 01, 2007, 06:04:54 AM
People are busy, but you're surrounded by the same people all day, every day... it's like high school.  But the excessive drinking is legal.  And don't date anyone in your section!

Unconditional sex is ok though, right?

Let me amend... don't do anything, with anyone in your section, that you don't mind everyone and their mom knowing about.  If you're cool with that, go right ahead. :)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: StudentUVA on November 03, 2007, 07:08:56 AM
I hear other sections here have lots of inter-section dating. So it happens- people date each other in law school.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: philibusters on November 03, 2007, 09:22:28 PM
id rather cut my own male private part than attempt to date anyone during 1L, much less date someone in the law school

Hmm, weird, dude, weird.

It seems like most people are already in relationships when they get to law school.  Its like the field is only half the size that you think it would be.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: Butters Stotch on November 03, 2007, 11:11:43 PM
id rather cut my own male private part than attempt to date anyone during 1L, much less date someone in the law school
fo shizzle
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: philibusters on November 04, 2007, 06:28:37 AM
i was speaking to the unpleasantness of having to put up with drama and garbage every day...

Besides, why would you date someone in law school when there are undergrad females who are cuter, less jaded, who you dont have to see all day every day, who you have something to talk about with other than law school?  Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't talk to law students about law school all that much and when I do its more topically, like "do you like this class or not?', not "did you understand what we did today in class, please explain."  Law school girls seem more intelligent than the undergrads from my experience and I don't see them all day every day.  In fact, if I don't see them in class I do not see them much at all, maybe an occasional social event or at the gym.  If you don't want drama, just be more choosy in which girls you go after, not all girls are about drama.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: TraciRai on November 04, 2007, 06:57:40 AM
i was speaking to the unpleasantness of having to put up with drama and garbage every day...

Besides, why would you date someone in law school when there are undergrad females who are cuter, less jaded, who you dont have to see all day every day, who you have something to talk about with other than law school?  Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't talk to law students about law school all that much and when I do its more topically, like "do you like this class or not?', not "did you understand what we did today in class, please explain."  Law school girls seem more intelligent than the undergrads from my experience and I don't see them all day every day.  In fact, if I don't see them in class I do not see them much at all, maybe an occasional social event or at the gym.  If you don't want drama, just be more choosy in which girls you go after, not all girls are about drama.

I like dating a fellow law student because he doesn't get annoyed by me talking about law/ law school all the time.  We can share dorky moments where neither of us says anything out loud, but we're both thinking the same thing like, "that is a tort claim waiting to happen!".  I really don't think a non-law student would put up with me at this point. :)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: philibusters on November 04, 2007, 09:08:38 AM
Its probably a legitimate point that some law students enjoy discussing the law, I am not adverse to it if people talk about it from a policy perspective, like "I think the law should be x, instead of Y because...", but I get bored pretty quickly if people talk about hypos or something like that on a social occasion. 
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on November 04, 2007, 09:16:42 AM
There's plenty of law school dating going on at USC.

As for the "date undergrads because they're hotter, easier, etc." thing, I think you'll find that a lot harder than you expect. Most people don't find their girlfriends, hook ups, whatever by just randomly bumping into them on campus. Most find that through common friends. Your friends will all be law school students.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 04, 2007, 10:10:41 AM
I'm glad I really don't have to worry about this. My BF should be coming with me. If that doesn't work out for whatever reason, I don't plan to date... especially anyone in LS.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: TraciRai on November 04, 2007, 03:04:02 PM
Its probably a legitimate point that some law students enjoy discussing the law, I am not adverse to it if people talk about it from a policy perspective, like "I think the law should be x, instead of Y because...", but I get bored pretty quickly if people talk about hypos or something like that on a social occasion. 

That's funny, because I hardly ever talk about law as it applies to real life issues... it's all stuff like how to escape liability for "accidentally" pushing someone annoying off of the hayride we were on.  Or discussing how to defeat Voldemort by taking him to court instead of having a giant battle (For instance, does the muggle world have personal and subject matter jurisdiction over wizards?).  You know, important stuff. :)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: CoxlessPair on November 05, 2007, 10:42:29 AM
Law school dating is the best. It's been nothing but models and bottles for me. 
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: Tetris on November 05, 2007, 11:57:24 AM
There's plenty of law school dating going on at USC.

As for the "date undergrads because they're hotter, easier, etc." thing, I think you'll find that a lot harder than you expect. Most people don't find their girlfriends, hook ups, whatever by just randomly bumping into them on campus. Most find that through common friends. Your friends will all be law school students.

gym and library is what i'm planning on.  plus i'll definitely be cruising the undergrad bars

How do you plan on doing that?  How do you just go up to someone else at the gym or library who you don't know, strike up a conversation, and go out on a date w/ them?  Seems random and potentially creepy.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: philibusters on November 05, 2007, 12:02:15 PM
There's plenty of law school dating going on at USC.

As for the "date undergrads because they're hotter, easier, etc." thing, I think you'll find that a lot harder than you expect. Most people don't find their girlfriends, hook ups, whatever by just randomly bumping into them on campus. Most find that through common friends. Your friends will all be law school students.

Yeah, but law students aren't "most people." As far as traditionally desirable traits go, male law students are highly likely to be more desirable than the average undergrad. They'll be older; more likely to have a prognosis of high income potential; more likely to be intelligent; more likely to have good time-management skills and other indicators of "maturity."

Further, even failing those traits that are generally accepted as traditionally desirable, many male law students will also have higher levels of aggression, competitiveness, social graces, self-confidence, and leadership potential, all of which (in my dastardly world view) often "fool" women into desiring the man even if he lacks other desirable characteristics.

In other words, generally the male law student is more of an amalgam of effective female-catching characteristics than is an average undergrad male.

As far as female law students go, I'm not so sure. The ones I've met have been rather bottom-heavy ... perhaps from all that sitting around reading LSD.com. Further, I don't enjoy aggressively over-competitive women. They seem to me to believe that the act of "winning" arguments doesn't require, in any manner, rationality or sensible responses, and will view all discussion and refinement of a point as opposition and therefore as a personal attack. Though this sort of insecurity is fetching when the girl is demure, supplicative, or submissive and open to my advances, it is annoying as heck when it comes with extra weight, a male body posture and body type, or a wrong-headed view of something obvious that we've all studied.

In other words, law school women often view themselves as the sort of "strong women" that (it annoys them to note) men dislike. That's because their "strength" is actually just abusive aggression, self-aggrandizement, and lack of social skills.

So, I think the guys kind of have it made, as long as we don't go trolling among the female law students. I don't care whether these prototypical female law students are doing well with some other population or not, because I won't be socializing with them very much anyway, and I certainly won't be targeting them.


Yes, its true when us guys get to law school we suddenly become handsome, charming, rich, and rid ourselves of any personality quirks we had before....OR NOT.  Some undergrads may be initially impressed, maybe, some won't care, but after that if you were not a lady's man before, law school doesn't magically transform you.

I very much value that the law school girls are intelligent, I would probably prefer a law school in the abstract because she is smart, aggressive women don't bother me either-though in real life it would really depend on the girl-definitely some undergrad girls would click with more personally more than some law girls, but in general I would prefer a law school girl.

Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 12:08:13 PM
I don't mind everyone knowing that I get my freak on!
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:04:34 PM
Personally, I am frankly LOVING the fact that potential competitors for the affection of attractive, intelligent young women, might demonstrate the level of awareness of the dynamics behind dating which are demonstrated in these and similar posts. See y'all at The Cave, boys! Don't forget to bring your textbooks! I'll be the one over on the other side of the room lip-locking with the ... wait for it ... models and bottles ...  ;D ;D

I think I would pay to see this... kinda like a side show act.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:08:58 PM
All the hot law school girls are gone by end of 2L, they realized how difficult this whole law school thing is by that time and went after the working lawyers/already made partner guys at the school networking events. They decided marrying a lawyer was easier than being one. We are left with the dogs and the feminists by the time you get to 3L. Its true, for serious. 

Sounds like I will have a short law school career and expensive wedding... unless there is an exception to the rule. ;)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 01:11:52 PM
All the hot law school girls are gone by end of 2L, they realized how difficult this whole law school thing is by that time and went after the working lawyers/already made partner guys at the school networking events. They decided marrying a lawyer was easier than being one. We are left with the dogs and the feminists by the time you get to 3L. Its true, for serious. 

Sounds like I will have a short law school career and expensive wedding... unless there is an exception to the rule. ;)

Will have to back that up with a picture... for peer review you know.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:14:19 PM
I'l ba happy too... once I choose where I wil attend, I'll go from the Penny-tar to the self-tar.

You'll have to wait patiently until then.  :-*
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 01:16:45 PM
No need for that, I have one of those e-mail things, just send it over ;)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:20:18 PM
How do you plan on doing that?  How do you just go up to someone else at the gym or library who you don't know, strike up a conversation, and go out on a date w/ them?  Seems random and potentially creepy.

it's only creepy if you're ugly

As sad as this statement is... it's kinda true. Hot guys/gals have a much lower creepy factor.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 01:21:37 PM
Tetris, how do you get to know people if you find it creepy to talk to a person because you don't already know them?
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:22:04 PM
Cmon, people, do you really think that changing your population center and demographic opportunities by going to a large-ish school will be DETRIMENTAL to your singles life? Yeesh.

Dude, this whole thread is pretty tongue-in-cheek... chillax.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 01:25:46 PM
As long as the local high sch... eh, undergraduates are hot, I'm a happy camper.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: papercranes on November 05, 2007, 01:28:28 PM
As long as the local high sch... eh, undergraduates are hot, I'm a happy camper.

lol... yikes :o
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:29:53 PM
I always find it funny how romantic comedies portray it as completely adorable when the hot male lead is doggedly persistent and pursues the female protagonist to the point of stalking. Yet if you switched Matthew McConaghey for Phillip Seymour Hoffman, well, you're probably watching a (albeit Oscar-worthy) horror flick.

Matthew McConaughey can follow me wherever he wants for whatever reason he wants... sigh.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 01:34:59 PM
I hope he's considerably older than you :)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 01:36:11 PM
As long as the local high sch... eh, undergraduates are hot, I'm a happy camper.

one of the guys i play basketball with in the morning before work told me how much he'd love it if i dated his daughter, who is a senior in high school.  i tried to explain how weird it would be, but he was adamant.

If he uses the phrases "web cam" "on the internet" or "you'll be famous" run, run away quickly.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 01:37:27 PM
As long as the local high sch... eh, undergraduates are hot, I'm a happy camper.

one of the guys i play basketball with in the morning before work told me how much he'd love it if i dated his daughter, who is a senior in high school.  i tried to explain how weird it would be, but he was adamant.

If he uses the phrases "web cam" "on the internet" or "you'll be famous" run, run away quickly.

You talking out of experience? ;)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 02:06:46 PM
i'm going to respond to this when i get off work.

It's good you quoted this... his posts seem to disappear.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 02:09:40 PM
I don't know if that was intended as facetious or not final_id, but I find myself agreeing with it.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 05, 2007, 02:10:42 PM
This is gonna be awesome...

I agree as well, it appears the twenties are coming back in a big way!
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 02:21:02 PM
Yeah could you PLEASE explain that???!!!

Well, either the board mods really dont like you/are protecting you from yourself OR you just deleted 20 more of your own posts. Hmmm.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 05, 2007, 06:25:57 PM
No need for that, I have one of those e-mail things, just send it over ;)

Link?
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 05, 2007, 10:50:11 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 07:47:28 AM
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

 ;D
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 06, 2007, 07:53:11 AM
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

 ;D

There is a lot one can do appearance wise. Estee Laurder and BCBG can do wonders for how a girl looks. And while I admit georgous Rob Lowe looking guys do turn my head, I am completely turned on by a man who stives to expand his mind and intellect.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 08:04:22 AM
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

 ;D

There is a lot one can do appearance wise. Estee Laurder and BCBG can do wonders for how a girl looks. And while I admit georgous Rob Lowe looking guys do turn my head, I am completely turned on by a man who stives to expand his mind and intellect.

Hmm, my only issue with that, is that I believe (and enough of my degree professors have expounded) that intelligence is relatively static. Now, you can certainly learn new ways to think, argumentative techniques, facts and philosophies. At the end of the day, though, you still have to run it through the same static funnel [intelligence]. Now, if you could change make that funnel bigger, awesome, but instead your just organizing the flow better but you still have an upper-limit. Whereas, aesthetically, that upper-limit is constantly increasing with new techniques, surgeries etc.

I like to think of it like a computer, intelligence that is, you can upgrade all your bits-n-bobs, more RAM, new logic boards, faster pipelines, new standards but if your processor stays the same, you'll bottleneck and never pass a certain point.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 06, 2007, 08:18:07 AM
Well, you can be the smartest person in the world and sit on your bootie and do nothing about it. Which, for me, is totally unattractive. Or you can be an average Joe who works hard to get a college degree, stay abreast of whats happening in world events, and reads instead of playing video games... which for me is much more attractive.

I'm lucky, my BF is a sucessful cutie and a turbo smartie... so much so that it intimidates me from time to time. But what I find the most attractive is that he is constantly learning more and more, and when he comes across something that he does not understand, he studies it until he does.

I really have no patience for those who do not try to better themselves.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 06, 2007, 08:19:41 AM
i feel that intelligence is precisely that: a willingness to improve and a certain self-consciousness about yourself.

and that attribute is sexy for both genders.

Amen!
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 08:23:45 AM
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

 ;D

There is a lot one can do appearance wise. Estee Laurder and BCBG can do wonders for how a girl looks. And while I admit georgous Rob Lowe looking guys do turn my head, I am completely turned on by a man who stives to expand his mind and intellect.

Hmm, my only issue with that, is that I believe (and enough of my degree professors have expounded) that intelligence is relatively static. Now, you can certainly learn new ways to think, argumentative techniques, facts and philosophies. At the end of the day, though, you still have to run it through the same static funnel [intelligence]. Now, if you could change make that funnel bigger, awesome, but instead your just organizing the flow better but you still have an upper-limit. Whereas, aesthetically, that upper-limit is constantly increasing with new techniques, surgeries etc.

I like to think of it like a computer, intelligence that is, you can upgrade all your bits-n-bobs, more RAM, new logic boards, faster pipelines, new standards but if your processor stays the same, you'll bottleneck and never pass a certain point.

this is nonsense.  i feel as if i learn something new each year.  whether it's reading mixed messages in a romantic relationship or dealing with an insurance company or knowing what casu marzu is, i feel that intelligence is precisely that: a willingness to improve and a certain self-consciousness about yourself.

and that attribute is sexy for both genders.

My opinion:
Reading mixed messages/Insurance - New technique/process acquired
Casu Marzu - Fact

So you may know more (though I think we all agree that simply knowing things doesn't make you intelligent) and know how to do things, but a real change in intelligence? You may know more, or work with your information better but you are still capped by static intelligence.

I do agree that the drive for self-betterment in all aspects of one's life is an appealing trait; but as to whether they are making themselves more intelligent, I would have to disagree.

Shame too, I'd love to agree with a dancing banana.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 10:19:20 AM
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You sound like a borderline certified a-hole, perhaps the time has come to start changing your behavior before it gets worse.

Why? I'm almost there!

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Your jokes and teasing can get a bit nasty at times, but you have to admit, they are pretty funny.

Yes, yes they are.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 06, 2007, 10:22:10 AM
For final_id:
http://www.time.com/time/2007/arse_quiz/index.html

BRILLIANT! The only one that really applied to me is "Your jokes and teasing can get a bit nasty at times, but you have to admit, they are pretty funny." But, for me the teasing is a show of love... and only directed at those who can take it and dish it right back. :)

Oh and I do interrupt people, but that is more about being really ADD and not thinking what I have to say is more important.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, I interrupt my own train of thought more often than anyone else's. HaHa!
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 10:45:49 AM
Yeah, but which is harder to get into...

I looked at the GRE after taking my LSAT... I think I actually snorted a little bit. I need to find a full one to take so I can prove that the LSAT is harder... anyone got a link for a full-length one?  :P
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 06, 2007, 01:08:19 PM
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

I don't see how intelligence is relevant in a person at all. Might be that intelligence is commonly used on factors such as education, knowledge, literacy etc which of course all affect how interesting a person is to converse with. However, intelligence in it's real form really only related to things like maths, physics etc and I don't think having a partner who's exceptionally good at figuring out which asymetric figures with together is a winning recipe for happiness. Surely, I wouldn't want to date a drooling mental patient with a 65 IQ, but I doubt very much you'd be able to spot the difference between a person with a 105 IQ and a 160 IQ in a normal, everyday conversation.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 06, 2007, 01:12:47 PM
Surely, I wouldn't want to date a drooling mental patient with a 65 IQ, but I doubt very much you'd be able to spot the difference between a person with a 105 IQ and a 160 IQ in a normal, everyday conversation.

Agreed, but I am sure you'd spot it after several years together. So in dating there might be no difference, but in a long term relationship there might be. But its all in what you do with it really. I have always been attracted to smarties... I don't think I could date a guy who is less "intellegent" than I (define that however you please).

But I guess that doesn't set the bar too high.  ::)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 06, 2007, 01:19:07 PM
I guess not ;)

No of course, I do agree to some point. I would also assume that on average educated people are more intelligent, despite there being some obvious, glaring counter-examples :) Anyway, since we're looking at the singles scene I guess it's more about hooking up than finding eternal happiness? That's my plan at least;)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 01:24:43 PM
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

I don't see how intelligence is relevant in a person at all. Might be that intelligence is commonly used on factors such as education, knowledge, literacy etc which of course all affect how interesting a person is to converse with. However, intelligence in it's real form really only related to things like maths, physics etc and I don't think having a partner who's exceptionally good at figuring out which asymetric figures with together is a winning recipe for happiness. Surely, I wouldn't want to date a drooling mental patient with a 65 IQ, but I doubt very much you'd be able to spot the difference between a person with a 105 IQ and a 160 IQ in a normal, everyday conversation.

Intelligence is a measure, a summation, of a person capacity for cognitive functioning. While it does relate to maths, sciences and other 'pure' exploits (idiot savante-esque 'Rainman' segues aside) it is also evidenced in every aspect of your life. When I'm having a conversation with a person, I'd like for them to have the capacity to understand what I'm saying, process it and offer insights, rejoinders, rebuttals etc.

While it may be true that someone with a high intelligence, or capacity for intelligence, fails in this arena due to a lack of the previously aforementioned techniques, processes and facts. It is almost certainly true that someone with a low intelligence will fail, or be hindered as well, despite their reserve of techniques, processes and facts.

To use a poor colloquialism, I enjoy being around people with a brain in their skull, and that is not because I want them to do math problems with me.

I'm going to have to start with the computer analogy again, I bet.

I would also assume that on average educated people are more intelligent, despite there being some obvious, glaring counter-examples

Anyway, since we're looking at the singles scene I guess it's more about hooking up than finding eternal happiness?

I'd say it's just that they are more likely to realize more of their potential, augmenting their base intelligence with taught techniques.

Educated people are the tuned cars.

Uneducated are the stock.

Intelligence is horsepower.

You need a lot more base intelligence to compete with the person who's intelligence has been streamlined through education.

Yay analogies!

---

And if it's just about hooking up, who cares. So long as they're smart enough to undress and don't say anything too dumb at the inopportune moment :D
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 06, 2007, 01:39:39 PM
Word ;)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 06, 2007, 02:23:03 PM
Sometimes there's very much of a sense of fulfillment from the mere fact that your partner can "keep up with" you.

My position, exactly.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: studymaster on November 07, 2007, 06:21:53 AM
I don't see how intelligence is relevant in a person at all. Might be that intelligence is commonly used on factors such as education, knowledge, literacy etc which of course all affect how interesting a person is to converse with. However, intelligence in it's real form really only related to things like maths, physics etc and I don't think having a partner who's exceptionally good at figuring out which asymetric figures with together is a winning recipe for happiness. Surely, I wouldn't want to date a drooling mental patient with a 65 IQ, but I doubt very much you'd be able to spot the difference between a person with a 105 IQ and a 160 IQ in a normal, everyday conversation.

I reccomend you meet a few people with an IQ of 160 and a fewe who you knwo to be in the 105 area. If you can't spot the difference I will eat my hat. (And no pretending you dont see it).

Or how is this for an experiemnt you give me ten people 5 105's, 5 160's and I will only converse, no testing. And I will bet 1k per person I can tell them apart.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 07, 2007, 06:46:10 AM
I reccomend you meet a few people with an IQ of 160 and a fewe who you knwo to be in the 105 area. If you can't spot the difference I will eat my hat. (And no pretending you dont see it).

Or how is this for an experiemnt you give me ten people 5 105's, 5 160's and I will only converse, no testing. And I will bet 1k per person I can tell them apart.

Actually, I know a lot of people in both camps. Personally, I have a 165 score on a Stanford-Binet 5 test, about the most accurate test around. I have several high IQ friends, among others a surgeon and an astrophysicist, both extremely intelligent, neither particularly interesting as a conversation partner. I also have friends working as shop clerks, and that kinda stuff. I have a friend who flunked out of high school, never completed any education, probably would struggle to beat 100 on an IQ test, but he's a top level snowboarder, he has traveled the world, seen and experienced things most people never will. I'll pick him for a conversation over the astrogeek any day of the week.

I honestly think what you mean by intelligence isn't actual intelligence, its experience and knowledge. Thinking that can only come from education or being genetically gifted is very snobbish and very naive. Instead of me meeting more of the same people I already know, I'd suggest you start socializing with a bit different crowd and perhaps keep a more open mind.

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the 160's will likely be much more socially awkward than the 105's

Ive been tested between 150-160 (no, not by online tests, those say my IQ is approaching 1 in 1 billion  Roll Eyes ), and I cant hold up a conversation to save my life.
I dunno, many people struggle with this and I don't think it's related to your IQ at all. I think perhaps more intelligent people are more aware and bothered by their social awkwardness because they feel that they should be the center of conversation.

 
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: DECONda on November 07, 2007, 04:18:00 PM
Yes, its true when us guys get to law school we suddenly become handsome, charming, rich, and rid ourselves of any personality quirks we had before....OR NOT.  Some undergrads may be initially impressed, maybe, some won't care, but after that if you were not a lady's man before, law school doesn't magically transform you.

Some of my friends date law school guys b/c they want to marry a lawyer.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: Tetris on November 07, 2007, 05:15:09 PM
Where do you go to take an IQ test?  I've always been very curious.  I called the psychology department at my school and they said they only do it if there's a legitimate counseling reason.  Where else can you go?
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 07, 2007, 08:39:16 PM
As a Psych major and someone's who's been through that several times (on both sides of the desk), it's not really worth a damn. IQ just gives you a static number, but doesn't say much about your ability to use it or optimize it.

'scuse the annoyance, but we hear to much about this day in and day out  :-X
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: studymaster on November 07, 2007, 09:21:03 PM
I reccomend you meet a few people with an IQ of 160 and a fewe who you knwo to be in the 105 area. If you can't spot the difference I will eat my hat. (And no pretending you dont see it).

Or how is this for an experiemnt you give me ten people 5 105's, 5 160's and I will only converse, no testing. And I will bet 1k per person I can tell them apart.

Actually, I know a lot of people in both camps. Personally, I have a 165 score on a Stanford-Binet 5 test, about the most accurate test around. I have several high IQ friends, among others a surgeon and an astrophysicist, both extremely intelligent, neither particularly interesting as a conversation partner. I also have friends working as shop clerks, and that kinda stuff. I have a friend who flunked out of high school, never completed any education, probably would struggle to beat 100 on an IQ test, but he's a top level snowboarder, he has traveled the world, seen and experienced things most people never will. I'll pick him for a conversation over the astrogeek any day of the week.

I honestly think what you mean by intelligence isn't actual intelligence, its experience and knowledge. Thinking that can only come from education or being genetically gifted is very snobbish and very naive. Instead of me meeting more of the same people I already know, I'd suggest you start socializing with a bit different crowd and perhaps keep a more open mind.

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the 160's will likely be much more socially awkward than the 105's

Ive been tested between 150-160 (no, not by online tests, those say my IQ is approaching 1 in 1 billion  Roll Eyes ), and I cant hold up a conversation to save my life.
I dunno, many people struggle with this and I don't think it's related to your IQ at all. I think perhaps more intelligent people are more aware and bothered by their social awkwardness because they feel that they should be the center of conversation.

 

CUTE a strawman...

I didnt say intelligent peopel were better for conversation, in fact I think there is a strong case for negative marginal returns on intelligence as it relates to conversational interest. I have plenty of people in my life who I know are in the 105 area and who are wonderful conversationalists.

Your original argument was you couldnt distinguish between them and I disagreed in the strongest terms with this. As I said before tho I readily concede intelligence isnt some magical thign that boosts yoru ability to be interesting in conversations. Real life experience and a unique world-view help here.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 07, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
Where do you go to take an IQ test?  I've always been very curious.  I called the psychology department at my school and they said they only do it if there's a legitimate counseling reason.  Where else can you go?

Mensa's tests would probably be a good place to start. They administer tests 3-4 times a year in a lot of locations.

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Your original argument was you couldnt distinguish between them and I disagreed in the strongest terms with this. As I said before tho I readily concede intelligence isnt some magical thign that boosts yoru ability to be interesting in conversations. Real life experience and a unique world-view help here.

No, my original statement was that you wouldn't spot the difference in an everyday conversation. That is, typical small talk, friend to friend dialog. But even for more technical topics, you're more likely to notice their difference in education not in IQ.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 08, 2007, 02:26:22 AM
Where do you go to take an IQ test?  I've always been very curious.  I called the psychology department at my school and they said they only do it if there's a legitimate counseling reason.  Where else can you go?

Mensa's tests would probably be a good place to start. They administer tests 3-4 times a year in a lot of locations.

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Your original argument was you couldnt distinguish between them and I disagreed in the strongest terms with this. As I said before tho I readily concede intelligence isnt some magical thign that boosts yoru ability to be interesting in conversations. Real life experience and a unique world-view help here.

No, my original statement was that you wouldn't spot the difference in an everyday conversation. That is, typical small talk, friend to friend dialog. But even for more technical topics, you're more likely to notice their difference in education not in IQ.

MENSA tests are a joke.  The ceiling on them is around 140, I dont think I missed a single question.

Also, they dont tell you a score, just whether you "passed"

They do over here at least. And yes, all correct = 140, 1 error = 136, 2 errors = 132. At least that was the scale on the test I took. 132 was the minimum requirement for admission to Mensa I believe. Although being a joke for not scaling over 140... Well. That's not a joke for about 99.3% of the population, so how about you go ace the Mensa test first and if you're still confident you can do better, take a SB5, Otis-Lennon or DAS or whatever.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 08, 2007, 06:36:53 AM
I would think anyone who passed the 4th grade would be able to "place in the 98th %ile" 

I have to disagree here. At my firm I deal with many people who have a high school education or less. I can usually tell exactly with whom I am dealing within a few sentances. It is hard to have a conversation with many of them, and almost impossible to explain the legal process thay are going through.

That being said, one of the most brilliant and interesting men I have ever met dropped out of school when her was 16 to become a folk singer.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 08, 2007, 06:46:42 AM
This is not bragging, but I want to say something about Mensa in general and their ceiling. They exist solely because people want to feel like they are somehow special or better than someone else. Now, a lot of groups are like this and I would say it is a very common trait in people. Everyone wants to be unique, which is silly because you can't help but be unique, and far too many people want to feel like they are better than others (or already do and are just looking for independent verification of what they've suspected all along)

I, personally, have broken the 140 on my IQ tests since I started receiving them (every school I've went to seems to want to run them, or request that my mother get it done... they also asked my mother to get me a CAT scan, so tha says about how much they know about medicine or psychology in general) but that doesn't mean anything, hell lookit my numbers  ::)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 08, 2007, 06:51:12 AM
This is not bragging, but I want to say something about Mensa in general and their ceiling. They exist solely because people want to feel like they are somehow special or better than someone else. Now, a lot of groups are like this and I would say it is a very common trait in people. Everyone wants to be unique, which is silly because you can't help but be unique, and far too many people want to feel like they are better than others (or already do and are just looking for independent verification of what they've suspected all along)

I, personally, have broken the 140 on my IQ tests since I started receiving them (every school I've went to seems to want to run them, or request that my mother get it done... they also asked my mother to get me a CAT scan, so tha says about how much they know about medicine or psychology in general) but that doesn't mean anything, hell lookit my numbers  ::)

I agree, and I don't think anyone yet has disagreed with any of this :)
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: daemonsan on November 08, 2007, 07:09:31 AM
Just wanting to lay that down, since IQ has been mentioned more than once. It's all we have but it's worthless, good times.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: I am Penny Lane on November 08, 2007, 07:15:17 AM
It all about what you do with your intelligence. It's just part of what CAN make a person more interesting.

I was on a flight from London to NYC sitting next to my city's Public Defender. He says he gets hundreds of applications, but only the people that seem interesting (or are damn persistant) get interviews... doesn't really have anyhting to do with dating, just food for thought. 
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: ě on November 08, 2007, 10:15:15 AM
Yeah, definitely. If you prep a lot you can make it to T14 Matthies.
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: Tetris on November 10, 2007, 11:26:58 AM
I keep seeing "140 IQ" and thinking "ouch!  bottom 15% percentile..." but no.  It's just the LSAT #s making me think anything less than a 165 IQ is "sub par".   :D
Title: Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
Post by: traffic777 on January 16, 2008, 09:09:23 AM
speak from experience.  doesn't matter where.

is it Upper West Side-esque, because people are too busy?  or is it like your usual undergrad environment?

are you disappointed, say, by the galvanization of singles at bars and taken people at the library on Friday nights?

Where do students find casual sex mostly?