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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2007, 08:56:55 PM »
Well I have plenty of problems with the way this war has been conducted. A good majority of the reasons the insurgancy has sustained itself in my opinion, is that the way we fight in Iraq is geared towards appeasing those who no matter what, would critisize this president. I am not a die hard Bush guy, but there is a greater fight going on in Iraq. And that is against radical Islam. America would have had to confront this problem in some arena at some point even if 9/11 hadn't happened. Do you honestly think that if we had never invaded Iraq and just solved the Afghanistan problem that all these threats would have went away? They would'nt have.

Going to war with Iraq was a noble endeavor. Regardless of why we went in, we liberated the county and brought freedom to those people. Now, the nation as a whole has NOT embraced the concept of freedom, there are many people in Iraq who still live in huts, no electricity. You can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink it.

In my opinion, Iran was a more severe threat to national security than Iraq. After the Gulf War, the Iraqi military was pretty much desimated as a standing army. The war with radical Islam will continue long after most of the "soon to be lawyers" on this site pay off their loans. I wouldn't say that lives have been wasted in Iraq, I think if we pack up and left today one could ask, "what the hell did we fight for?" We will never achieve a total victory in Iraq or any of these nations. They have essentially sucked at life since biblical times and who are we to think we can change that. I would also attribute the fact that there have been no attacks from any radical Islamist groups on American soil to the intel and combat ops being conducted in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as across the world.

It's so sad that you buy into this "us vs them" mentality. It's even sadder that we give bigots tanks and guns.

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Fighting in Iraq ABSOLUTELY equals fighting for your freedom, if it doesn't I wish I could send you over there in full gear during 130 degree heat in July and tell me that I am doing it for big oil or W. You need to re-evaluate where your freedom is derived from, and where it has derived from since the revelotionary war. Because of the bravery of the few, the many enjoy freedom. Period.

As they say, "If you can read, thank a teacher. If you can read in English, thank a Marine."

Oh please, cry me a f-cking river. You signed your life away to be a tool for a worthless f-ing cause, so don't go appealing to that sympathy ploy. I feel sad that lives (both US and Iraqi) are being lost for a ridiculous reason, but I don't feel sorry for you if you're too f-ing arrogant to see that Iraq posed no threat to our freedom, nor did they ever.

This is a worthless argument. So long as you're over there you have to believe that you're doing it for a noble and worthwhile cause. It's probably a normal human reaction to the fear and stress and danger you guys face. Come back and see me in 5 years when we're still fighting the same pointless fight, killing more and more people for nothing more than hubris, intolerance, and making some bank for a few rich white guys.

Can you even look into the eyes of an Iraqi person and still believe that you're doing something noble?
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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2007, 08:57:44 PM »
I really don't think that Edwards will win the nomination. He will make it difficult on Hillary, she has to go left for the primary and then magically move right for the general. All the while not pissing off hard corps liberals that will be swayed by Nader, again. Obama and Edwards will ruin Hillary's chances at Prez, and Republicans will win control of at least the Senate in '08 as well as retain Prez. Thats my prediction...

Obama will be the VP for her, not Edwards.

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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2007, 09:24:24 PM »
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Well, I don't think calling you a name would really matter cause you were picked on your whole life anyways. I wish I could take my gun or tank, if you even know what that is, and use it deport you to the middle-east. Thats where you belong. I could think of plenty of names to call you, but you would probably refer me to the "man".

Bigot? You probably get your &%$ kicked offen huh... You feel bad for me? I feel bad for you. Hopefully your electric car runs out of juice. Your not very impressive, your life in general probably has sucked since you were playing army with your boyfriend.

Cry you a river? I have not signed anything away, I am out in 3 months. People like you are a disgrace to America really. You should move.

Sympathy? For what? Your a tough guy. You should join the fight in Iraq, like John Walker. Then you would see just how bad I would feel for sending you to Allah, or Tom Cruise or whoever you cry at night to.

Arrogant? Yea, probably. If by chance we were at the same bar or wine tasting event, your girl would probably leave with me. She would see you, and say, "damn, my boyfriend is a female private part, I can kick his ass." Cocky, yea that too. I drive a nice big SUV, you probably have a hybrid. You probably goe to trader joes, eat organic, and prefer a glass of wine to a cold beer. Girlfriend? I doubt you have one now I think about it, probably some hard corp porn though. 

I hope your under 30, and Bush has a draft and you either are forced to fight or flee to Canada or Germany or France. Thats a good way to get people like you out of my country. Or maybe it would make a man out of you, or maybe you are a female. Who knows, one could'nt tell anyways. Thankyou for your concern for my safety though.

And I can look an Iraqi in the face any day. I have fought on their behalf and your's, unfortunetly. God bless you.

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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2007, 12:40:47 AM »
dahova's still more mature than anything on fox news.

OP: people don't like bush for many good reasons: because he and his people
made up a bunch of lies as an excuse to go to war against iraq, where because of the destabilization brought to the country over 650,000 people have been killed; because they're seeking to do similar things to iran; because they were incompetent enough to let the terrorist attacks of 9/11 happen; because they're totalitarians who believe in wiretapping your phone and opening your mail; designating whoever they feel like as a terrorist and then kidnapping, isolating and torturing them without telling their families of their whereabouts; because they turned out to be really bad at identifying terrorists, since none of those people who were kidnapped and tortured turned out to have been guilty of anything; because they prevailed on the republican congress to effectively revoke the right of habeas corpus, which since the 13th century has protected the right of a detained or imprisoned person to legally challenge her detention; because they inherited a relatively stable economy and, with the republicans, ran it into the ground, building up historically unprecedented budget and trade deficits; because they've done it all with tremendous arrogance and stupidity.

these are just a few reasons. i'm sure others could add more.
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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2007, 05:28:17 AM »
Well I have plenty of problems with the way this war has been conducted. A good majority of the reasons the insurgancy has sustained itself in my opinion, is that the way we fight in Iraq is geared towards appeasing those who no matter what, would critisize this president. I am not a die hard Bush guy, but there is a greater fight going on in Iraq. And that is against radical Islam. America would have had to confront this problem in some arena at some point even if 9/11 hadn't happened. Do you honestly think that if we had never invaded Iraq and just solved the Afghanistan problem that all these threats would have went away? They would'nt have.

Going to war with Iraq was a noble endeavor. Regardless of why we went in, we liberated the county and brought freedom to those people. Now, the nation as a whole has NOT embraced the concept of freedom, there are many people in Iraq who still live in huts, no electricity. You can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink it.

In my opinion, Iran was a more severe threat to national security than Iraq. After the Gulf War, the Iraqi military was pretty much desimated as a standing army. The war with radical Islam will continue long after most of the "soon to be lawyers" on this site pay off their loans. I wouldn't say that lives have been wasted in Iraq, I think if we pack up and left today one could ask, "what the hell did we fight for?" We will never achieve a total victory in Iraq or any of these nations. They have essentially sucked at life since biblical times and who are we to think we can change that. I would also attribute the fact that there have been no attacks from any radical Islamist groups on American soil to the intel and combat ops being conducted in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as across the world.

Fighting in Iraq ABSOLUTELY equals fighting for your freedom, if it doesn't I wish I could send you over there in full gear during 130 degree heat in July and tell me that I am doing it for big oil or W. You need to re-evaluate where your freedom is derived from, and where it has derived from since the revelotionary war. Because of the bravery of the few, the many enjoy freedom. Period.

As they say, "If you can read, thank a teacher. If you can read in English, thank a Marine."

It's too late/early in the morning to respond to this entire post but just FYI I don't feel any more "free" now than I did before the Iraq war. I'm not sure anyone really does. I just don't see the "defending our freedom" connection.

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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2007, 05:34:47 AM »
Alright, so I've spent the first 24 years of my life learning nothing about politics or anything related.  I don't even know what right/left wing means.  I don't know what liberals stand for, same goes for conservatives.  I know George Bush is our President, and I know most people don't like him, but I don't know why, other than the war in Iraq. 

Is there a decent source, or way I can learn about politics and what not?  It seems completely overwhelming by just searching Google with no direction.  I feel like I should have some understanding going into law school.

Thanks.

do most people not like george bush?  or do most people never like the president of the united states no matter who takes the job?

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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2007, 08:40:30 AM »
i despise every president since ford (not inclusive), and i was less than 2 years old when carter took over from him. i just despise bush more than any of the others, with the possible exception of reagan. among americans in general (and the world, for that matter), bush has much lower approval ratings than clinton or george sr. not sure about presidents before them.
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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2007, 08:49:35 AM »
George Bush Sr. was a very capable president, and probably only lost the election because Ross Perot attracted would-be republican voters to the Reform party ticket in 1992. 

Clinton is my favorite president, mostly because I associate him with the great time I had growing up (he was president during my formative years, which were by and large awesome).  Also, I do think he was the total package: charismatic, highly intelligent, capable, and well-liked.  We're lucky that during his 8 years in office the only blow-out scandal was his affair with Lewinsky. 

Bush Sr. is my least favorite president of the last few administrations, though I can't bring myself to harboring animosity toward him.  I do think he's f!cked things up and has set back the US in everything from national security to the economy to education to social welfare, but even so I do not "hate" him.  I will, however, be glad to see him gone in less than two years.  We seriously could not do much worse.
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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2007, 10:04:12 AM »
do most people not like george bush?  or do most people never like the president of the united states no matter who takes the job?

He left office while I was in my early teens so I didn't really know much about him, but when I was younger I liked Ronald Reagan. I was kinda indifferent to George H.W. Bush, and I liked Clinton even though at that time I considered myself conservative. I don't hate Bush, but I do think he's a dangerous man who has shaken the stability of our government by leading us by degrees toward oligarchy. I also think he's set the stage for the United States to lose its superpower status; optimistically, it will take an extremely good couple of future presidents to stop that slide.

Relative to our current Commander in Chief, the next few will probably be canonized as saints. 
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Re: Getting up to speed on Politics and the like
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2007, 10:35:03 AM »
Well I have plenty of problems with the way this war has been conducted. A good majority of the reasons the insurgancy has sustained itself in my opinion, is that the way we fight in Iraq is geared towards appeasing those who no matter what, would critisize this president. I am not a die hard Bush guy, but there is a greater fight going on in Iraq. And that is against radical Islam. America would have had to confront this problem in some arena at some point even if 9/11 hadn't happened. Do you honestly think that if we had never invaded Iraq and just solved the Afghanistan problem that all these threats would have went away? They would'nt have.

Going to war with Iraq was a noble endeavor. Regardless of why we went in, we liberated the county and brought freedom to those people. Now, the nation as a whole has NOT embraced the concept of freedom, there are many people in Iraq who still live in huts, no electricity. You can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink it.

In my opinion, Iran was a more severe threat to national security than Iraq. After the Gulf War, the Iraqi military was pretty much desimated as a standing army. The war with radical Islam will continue long after most of the "soon to be lawyers" on this site pay off their loans. I wouldn't say that lives have been wasted in Iraq, I think if we pack up and left today one could ask, "what the hell did we fight for?" We will never achieve a total victory in Iraq or any of these nations. They have essentially sucked at life since biblical times and who are we to think we can change that. I would also attribute the fact that there have been no attacks from any radical Islamist groups on American soil to the intel and combat ops being conducted in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as across the world.

Fighting in Iraq ABSOLUTELY equals fighting for your freedom, if it doesn't I wish I could send you over there in full gear during 130 degree heat in July and tell me that I am doing it for big oil or W. You need to re-evaluate where your freedom is derived from, and where it has derived from since the revelotionary war. Because of the bravery of the few, the many enjoy freedom. Period.

As they say, "If you can read, thank a teacher. If you can read in English, thank a Marine."

The war in Iraq was not about radical islam in the beginning. When Saddam was in charge Iraq was one of the most secular states in the region. If the war is about radical islam now, its our fault, because we created the power vacuum that gave radical islamists the opportunity to march into Iraq and recruit there.

Just wanted to clear that up.