Florida Coastal School of Law

[stressed]

For the record, I did not actually write TTT - I typed 3 Ts as shorthand, and the forum automatically interpreted it. So, no offense meant.

[chico]

your irrational train of thought betrays you.  I could identify several glaring reading comprehension difficulties you are having, but lets face it when push comes to shove...you are just a little bully and a name caller. I didn't even have to turn the rock all the way over, the real you just scurried out!

Please inform us how my original post was "irrational", and how your insulting non-response isn't. Also, please inform me of my "glaring reading comprehension" difficulties. And, how I am a "bully" and "name caller" when you were the one to join in this one productive discussion with a bunch of 5-th grade insults against me, because you are personally threatened by academic criticism. Your last sentence, above, I think shows "comprehension difficulties": it makes no sense at all.

Do you actually know the definition of the word "psychotic"? Can you explain how my responses were like a "car crash"? And now you are pretending to be above this all emotionally, after you were the one who interrupted the discussion with your insults?

No need for a five page thread response, I bow to your infinite knowledge of the irrelevant...

Surely with your reading comprehension skills, five pages are nothing. . . and surely, any discussion of law schools, in "law school discussion" forum is irrelevant, if you wish to be.

[chico]

This is to "Stressed". My post that you read and assumed was about you was actually in response to the insults from "bradzwest". It had nothing to do with you, thus your previous confontrotional post was causeless.



"Eyewitness knowledge"?? What the hell are you talking about?


Eyewitness means I saw it with my own eyes. Knowledge means I understood what I saw, and remembered. In this case, I saw the Dean and professor at Florida Coastal give a presentation to recruit students. I feel I explained this in my previous posts, and am not sure if I am at fault for not making it clearer, or you simply do not care to read it.


[ABRIDGED:]On a personal note, you strike me as someone who really isnt very intelligent, but who thinks they are. . .It's called failing out, you fool. you that is the brunt of the joke. . .By the way, I didnt even get a 164 on my WORST day. . .Good luck, youre going to need it.

It appears you are the one issuing personal insults.

I shall explain the same thing again: Failing out it is indeed. By itself may be the students fault, or it may be the School's intent to weed out those that will lower its bar passage rate, after taking the students money and years of full time work. Many law schools are at risk for this behavior. Cooley is worst of these offenders, there are others like California Western. You can read one student's experience at such a place:

http://www.epinions.com/educ-review-62B2-1C5177AA-39CEBE78-prod6

As I have said before, I believe for-profit schools have additional incentive to practice this rent-seeking behavior, and stand-alone schools without universities to sponsor them have less restraint to engage in the same.

Whether or not your LSAT score was higher, or lower, does appear relevant to me in regards to this discussion of academic strategies in Law School administration.


"All law students are the consumers and products" 

You have stated the obvious, and nothing more than I have already said in posts previous. All students are both consumers and products of education, creating distinct problems and conflicts in education administration, especially when combined with profit motive. Yes, non-profit universities are concerned with budgets, money, donations, endowments, that is true. Nobody has denied that. But there is a difference between a true university committment, let's say Yale, to education and Florida Coastal's. Yale would keep its school running even it were losing money.

Fl Coastal would close shop and tell its students, 'too bad'. And it wont be the first profit school to do so in higher education. It has happened before. There is no telling how long a profit school will be in business. If it closes, the value of the degree will plummet. There was a technical school in San Francisco bay area called "Masters Institute", it closed and its current students, and graduates were not happy. When the Bay area economy tanked after 2001, many schools began to follow. It is something to consider. Why a small minority of posters on here are personally offended by free discussion on the potential problems of stand-alone, for-profit schools, I do not know.

[bradzwest]

your irrational train of thought betrays you.  I could identify several glaring reading comprehension difficulties you are having, but lets face it when push comes to shove...you are just a little bully and a name caller. I didn't even have to turn the rock all the way over, the real you just scurried out!

Please inform us how my original post was "irrational", and how your insulting non-response isn't. Also, please inform me of my "glaring reading comprehension" difficulties. And, how I am a "bully" and "name caller" when you were the one to join in this one productive discussion with a bunch of 5-th grade insults against me, because you are personally threatened by academic criticism. Your last sentence, above, I think shows "comprehension difficulties": it makes no sense at all.

Do you actually know the definition of the word "psychotic"? Can you explain how my responses were like a "car crash"? And now you are pretending to be above this all emotionally, after you were the one who interrupted the discussion with your insults?

No need for a five page thread response, I bow to your infinite knowledge of the irrelevant...

Surely with your reading comprehension skills, five pages are nothing. . . and surely, any discussion of law schools, in "law school discussion" forum is irrelevant, if you wish to be.

I just can't resist!  I'd love to go point by point... but kind of makes me as disturbed as you.

Hastings... is not an insult (check the first post), you are the one who went on a condescending attack.

I have this vision of this being a little too thrilling for you...dark little room with a mouse in one hand, God knows what else in the other!  If you really want a "happy ending" you should call one of those $9.99 phone lines when you are up so late instead of posting on this site. 

YOUR OPINION IS 100% CORRECT... YOU ARE THE MASTER OF ALL YOU SURVEY! 

Now get your "Magic" cards or "Dungeon and Dragons" setup and go back to your basement apartment in your parents' home.  YOU ARE THE MASTER OF YOUR OWN DOMAIN!

[victorian14]

LOL Brad - that is hilarious...
Seriously...if everyone in law school is like that - I'm dropping out! 

[monimone]

Brad,

I have had run-ins with Chico before.  He's an idiot!!! He does not understand his shortcomings and rarely takes responsibilities for his faults.  Instead he likes to put others down with his verbose language (I'm sure that he has his dictionary next to him).  Many of his claims are unfounded and rhetorical at best.  No one should waste there typing on this guy.  This is a reason why he did not get into his top choice and I am sure it showed in his personal statement.  Don't waste your time.  Hey Chico, why didn't you get into a first tier law school like UF with your absolute knowledge?

P.S. Beware of assumed standards that he claims. He is going to tell you the way law schools operate in Florida.  He has no first hand knowledge of anything and bases all of his arguments on his own "infinite knowledge."  He will even go so far as to assume your personal characteristics without knowing you.  BEWARE OF IDIOTS!!!

[chico]

Brad,

I have had run-ins with Chico before.  He's an idiot!!! No one should waste there typing on this guy.  This is a reason why he did not get into his top choice and I am sure it showed in his personal statement.  Don't waste your time.

I believe in trying understand people's point of view. However nothing in the last three posts contained anything related to the discussion at hand, and instead consisted of irrelevant insults and attempted humor.

The first was yet another in a continued string of ad-hominem inuendos of an immature nature.

The second did not address any points, except for a fear that other people in law school might disgree with them (and use logic to present their case).

The last was a beneficiary of unofficial Affirmative Action, who was personally offended that I criticized it in another thread. The poster has falsely claimed I was blaming others for an admissions decision. I have already addressed that in http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,30380.0/topicseen.html

Truthfully I am rather surprised at the level of immaturity and illogic of several posters here. I did not expect such a remedial debate. I was graduated several years ago and am used to living in the adult world, and my best guess is most of the problem makers on this board of kids still in college, albeit with a distinct lack of breeding.

Hopefully the benefit of a large minority of 1L's having no ability to seperate emotion from logic will help dilute the competition in law school, so it this immaturity is not without some advantages.

[bradzwest]

LOL Brad - that is hilarious...
Seriously...if everyone in law school is like that - I'm dropping out! 

Good luck to you...whatever you choose.

Brad,

I have had run-ins with Chico before.  He's an idiot!!! No one should waste there typing on this guy.  This is a reason why he did not get into his top choice and I am sure it showed in his personal statement.  Don't waste your time.  Hey Chico, why didn't you get into a first tier law school like UF with your absolute knowledge?

I know. He's starting to bore me...

Brad,

I have had run-ins with Chico before.  He's an idiot!!! No one should waste there typing on this guy.  This is a reason why he did not get into his top choice and I am sure it showed in his personal statement.  Don't waste your time.

I believe in trying understand people's point of view. However nothing in the last three posts contained anything related to the discussion at hand, and instead consisted of irrelevant insults and attempted humor.

The first was yet another in a continued string of ad-hominem inuendos of an immature nature.

The second did not address any points, except for a fear that other people in law school might disgree with them (and use logic to present their case).

The last was a beneficiary of unofficial Affirmative Action, who was personally offended that I criticized it in another thread. The poster has falsely claimed I was blaming others for an admissions decision. I have already addressed that in http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,30380.0/topicseen.html

Truthfully I am rather surprised at the level of immaturity and illogic of several posters here. I did not expect such a remedial debate. I was graduated several years ago and am used to living in the adult world, and my best guess is most of the problem makers on this board of kids still in college, albeit with a distinct lack of breeding.

Hopefully the benefit of a large minority of 1L's having no ability to seperate emotion from logic will help dilute the competition in law school, so it this immaturity is not without some advantages.

Mr. Bates-NORMAN!

"distinct lack of breeding"

What could you add to a discussion on breeding? You aren't having sex. 

"I was graduated several years ago and am used to living in the adult world"

Maybe in chat rooms and anonymous internet sites... PRETEND!   Guys like you never speak up in public, my guess is that most people that have the misfortune of knowing have no idea how pathetic you really are.  You are gonna have a hard time in law school...its not easy being smarter than everyone.  Odds are you will be cowering somewhere in the back rows with your mouth shut.  You're smart enough to know that the "real you" isn't an acceptable face to show in public.



"remedial debate"

Then don't post...you are my first pet little troll!  You can't stay away, I'll just call you back.  You need the attention no matter how negative.  If someone didn't poke a stick in your cage once in awhile you wouldn't even know you were alive!  You only dare reveal your true self here because there are no consequences like in "adult life."  You can't leave...where else would you go?

[wrmusgro]

Thank you Mr Devil Dawg for your wonderful contribution to our academic discussion. Your comments on my taste in female beauty is appreciated. 

Let's see what you had to offer to our discussion:

"Yeah, posters like Chico are one of the reasons why I hardly ever post on this board anymore."

In other words, someone has the facts and is beating you from your ill-conceived notions, and you don't like it. You can't take criticism, and you can't respond, so I better conform to your provincial understanding.

"why did you apply to Fanklin Pierce?"

I applied to Franklin Pierce as a SAFETY school. As I have said, schools like that are good if you have no other choice. I won't be attending it because they didn't offer much in the way of Scholarship compared to others. In any case, Franklin Pierce, Vermont, are in a different league from the for-profit Florida Coastal. I have already outlined the problems with profiteering schools earlier in this thread. Of course, regretably you did not address any of my points, so I assume you expect us to accept your ad hominem vulgarity as divine truth.

"And also, its kind of pointless to post articles that are THREE YEARS OLD to prove your point."

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. . . Those who know no history remain a slave to current fashion. It IS still relevant. It happened in 2002, so hey, lets just ignore it! No way ANYTHING that happens in the past will affect you right? Because you are SPECIAL! You don't need to know anything but what's happening right now in your own little hometown. The fact is stand alone schools have much more leeway in doing whatever they please, like barry did, than a University's law school, which must protect its reputation better.

The fact is you are taking a big risk with schools like Barry, Cooley, and Florida Coastal.


"Stop being a Jacka$$, put the cheetos down and get a f_cking life"

Please spare us the immature, 5-th grade insults. I dont even eat mass produced, plastic wrapped, artificial preservative-filled junk food like that. Just so the other readers know, let me translate your above insults, so they can understand what you really mean:

'Stop opposing my personal beliefs with your logical arguments, backed by evidence, stop reading more than I do it makes me feel stupid, stop using published articles to support your position unless they are from today's edition of my local paper (or MTV), and please do something other than argue with me because I can't use logic'.

I dont think I'm better than other people because I got into 1st tier schools. When did I say this? In fact I didn't say ANYTHING of the sort. The fact you think I did implies you may have an inferiority complex, and you simply imagined I did. Of course I didn't get into harvard (Yale's program is better anyway. . .  joke).  What that does have to do with criticising for-profit, 4th tier schools, and how they are run? Of course it has nothing to do with it, you simply can't comprehend what a rational discussion about for-profit schools is, so you had to use your very small brain and your very large ego to make childish insults.

This thread was a civilized, mature debate about FCLS and for-profit schooling until you added your unwanted, unsolicited, immature discourse. Apparently you think "females under 250 pounds" are subhuman therefore inferior to you. Not that it matters, I don't care if they are plump, I dont bring a scale with me to weigh them, and a night out at the redneck bar you frequent is not my idea of "getting a life"

I do not "hate on people". That of course isn't even a phrase in the English language. That you equate legitimate criticism of social trends as "hate on people" shows a distinct lack of logic and and inability to participate in an understanding of academic discussion.

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UCSF:

I have been to the Bay Area, UCSF and San Francisco. Yes, UCSF is not a full undergraduate university, because the UC system deliberately put only professional schools in the City of San Francisco, due to the limited space and enormously high cost of living (As well as the fact there already is USF, and other schools in the city limits)

However even UCSF is not just a teaching hospital. It is a complex on Parnassus Ave in San Fran, which is both a medical school/teaching hospital, with numerous and seperate buildings containing labs, classrooms, and several student cafeterias. There are thousands of med and interdisciplinary students there. It is not just a hospital.

So let us not quibble. UC-Hastings is publically owned by the state, and part of the state UC system. It's UC membership, regardless of whether UC opens an undergrad in SF, gives it academic and financial support that a school like FL Coastal or Cooley will NEVER have. Is NOT in the same position as any truly stand-alone law school, not even a reputable one like Vermont.

Again, San Francisco is an unusual city that is very limited in space, as it is hemmed in between the Pacific and the Bay (Jacksonville, on the other hand, is the largest city in the US, and sprawls on endlessly). That is the main reason why Hastings and UCSF are without an undergrad campus. It is how the UC system decided to develop its educational facilities taking into account the needs of the entire state. There just isn't a need for another giant undergraduate/graduate UC university across the Bay Bridge from Berkeley, when Berkeley is only a short drive away.

Pretending that UC Hastings is as independent as FL Coastal is absurd. As far as FL Coastal opening up one in Phoenix, that doesn't by itself prove me wrong. If anything it may be a bad sign. Why are their funding problems in higher education but somehow FL Coastal is swimming in profit? It may be because FL Coastal is so wonderful an educational experience, or it may be because they are successfully finding desperate people and taking their tuition before they fail out or cannot pass the bar, because many of these people were not meant to be practicing lawyers. Thus there is plenty of money for FL Coastal, while UF Law was actually desperate for money and short a few professors a few years ago due to low tuition rates.

So I stand by my original contention: University sponsored, non-profit education is more reliable and less risky for students than a for-profit, stand-alone professional school like Florida Coastal. I hope someone here has read my words and was encouraged to go to a traditional law school instead of the Coastal/Barry/Cooley group.


p.s. About the "age" factor in ranking. It is partially a factor, but not the cause. Age doesn't make your school better  by itself. UNLV is only a few years old and already in the top 100. The idea that there is widespread prejudice against Cooley, Florida coastal, barry, nova, regent, and that is why they are poorly ranked (or not ranked at all) is absurd.

Oh my God! I spelled Franklin as "Fanklin"! I must be an idiot now.....I guess I'll have to go cry myself to sleep because Chico put me in my place. Oh and I must have an inferiority complex. (I hope I spelled that correctly) Ha ha. Oh yeah....uh Chico....you have to be one of the biggest losers I've ever seen on this board. Congrats, you win the loser of the month award. Oh...I'm being childish again aren't I? Well you know how us idiots who can't spell with inferiority complexes are.

[bradzwest]

Chico!  Here boy!  Aw come on boy!  We miss you!