Anyone planning on NEVER having kids???

[Anyone planning on NEVER having kids???]

Anyone planning on NEVER having kids???

I'm male and want kids

 51 (24.8%)

I'm female and want kids

 45 (21.8%)

I'm male and DONTwant kids

 35 (17%)

I'm female and DONT want kids

 50 (24.3%)

unsure

 25 (12.1%)

Total Members Voted: 193

[LSATdestroyer]

Sorry to hear you make nothing. I am a petroleum engineer, have been working for just 3 years for a major oil company and earn a salary of 102,000 before bonus. I also only work 40 hrs a week and nothing more, with every other friday off. Chemical and petroleum engineers are being hired between 65-72 grand out of college. Thats with benefits and excluding sign bonus ranging from 2 to 8 grand. Soooo, i do agree that most engineers top out around 180g's  with 20 yrs experience at major corporations, but to say they don't make anything is incorrect. Gov't jobs and aerospace/defense do pay very low, but  there are industry's that pay pretty well.

Considering some kid comes out of law school and maybe makes biglaw and earns 140,000  by working even 50 hrs a week he/she is only earning ~$46 an hour. Thats the same per hour as an engineer making 90,000 a year and working 40 hrs a week.


And I disagree about the communication issue when it comes to engineers. Engineers who work at the best companies are some of the smartest people in the world who can explain complex technical concepts very well, understand economics better than a finance major and present this information well. I've met people who cannot communicate in every profession so to say most engineers who have no personal skills is wrong.

To make the most in engineering takes the same effort as making the most in law, graduate with a 3.5gpa in engineering (which is not easy!) and be able to interact well with people and you can make big money with little debt.

Material things? My father is an engineer and I went to a private college and drove a new beamer so I dont know what you mean by that.

Sounds like you earned a low gpa in engineering, got stuck with some crappy contractor firm or company and now are screwed.

I leave you with a parting thought: you people are the reason that America is becoming less and less competitive in the global economy.  Because too many people put baseball over education, and have soft targets for "happiness", rather than hard targets for success.  Take it at what it's worth.  I hope this country turns that around soon.  Because at this rate, we're screwed if we keep turning out aimless liberal arts majors (lawyers and some professionals excluded), while India and China produce 450k engineers every year.  Not saying my attitude of not having children is any better, but it's much less prevalent than your attitude which has already led to serious problems in Europe.

You are truly an idiot.  Move to Japan. 

Any idea what engineers make?  I can tell you since I am one - NOTHING.  If money and material things (or what you call "the basics") are so important to you, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you will not personally be pushing your children towards engineering.  I have also never been required since college to use anything from calculus other than the basics of integrals.  I'll also add that most of the engineers I know can not move ahead in their profession because they have ZERO personal and communication skills...in case you don't know, those are crucial.

Likewise - love your comments

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Considering some kid comes out of law school and maybe makes biglaw and earns 140,000  by working even 50 hrs a week he/she is only earning ~$46 an hour. Thats the same per hour as an engineer making 90,000 a year and working 40 hrs a week.

First of all, salary per hour really isn't relevant. The 1.5 hours extra you spend each day is negligible, and most of us actually don't distribute our spare time on working days that detailed. It makes little difference. Secondly, the kid going to Big Law will actually be making 200,000 ($160k base + $40k bonus NYC standard 2007). Secondly, he will increase his salary by $20k-$40k every year as an associate, and multiply it after 7-8 years reaching partnership. There's no engineering job at all that keeps up with that.

And I disagree about the communication issue when it comes to engineers. Engineers who work at the best companies are some of the smartest people in the world who can explain complex technical concepts very well, understand economics better than a finance major and present this information well. I've met people who cannot communicate in every profession so to say most engineers who have no personal skills is wrong.

No, they're really not mate. That being said, neither are Big Law lawyers. Nor am I. The smartest people in the world don't do corporate cubicle employment.

To make the most in engineering takes the same effort as making the most in law, graduate with a 3.5gpa in engineering (which is not easy!) and be able to interact well with people and you can make big money with little debt.

Now this I wholly agree with, and something that keeps annoying me on this board. It seems people think law is the only business it's difficult to succeed in. That's just ridiculous. To be successful, you have to be one of the best - regardless of what your education or business is.

Not saying my attitude of not having children is any better, but it's much less prevalent than your attitude which has already led to serious problems in Europe.

Problems in Europe? Which problems? Europe is going exceptionally well these days.

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I say we make like the Irish and eat the babies

[LSATdestroyer]

it's totally releveant you idiot. You obviously are some kid who doesnt know what putting in 60 real hours of work a week on a multi million dollar project means (here comes some summer internship where he worked 100 hrs a week ahaha) . How much you make per hour is the most relevant of all things because as you shall find out, it's balancing your personal time with your work thats the toughest thing americans face. And if you would use a cost of living calculator, 90,000 dollars in houston is the equivalent to 210,000 in good old ny,ny buddy.  So once again, 90,000/40 hrs per week will give you the same per hour rate. I never mentioned the bonus one recieves for either profession and keep in mind that is based on you billing 2000hours, requiring at least 3200 hours of real work. And you better believe that that extra 1.5 hours a day takes a toll on you at the end of the week. The difference between 40 to 50 or 40 to 60 hours per week is a BIG ONE.  But hey, what does it matter, you probably have no life anyway so enjoy!   And just so you know, with no debt and earning 100,000/year after three years of work you are essentially in better shape than the vandy grad 150gs in debt with the big law job. If the engineer wants to get a law degree and do IP he can and will make more than you anyway. Many people at the top of their law schools are engineers anyway, they tend to do very well.

Good luck kid, you'll need it.

Considering some kid comes out of law school and maybe makes biglaw and earns 140,000  by working even 50 hrs a week he/she is only earning ~$46 an hour. Thats the same per hour as an engineer making 90,000 a year and working 40 hrs a week.

First of all, salary per hour really isn't relevant. The 1.5 hours extra you spend each day is negligible, and most of us actually don't distribute our spare time on working days that detailed. It makes little difference. Secondly, the kid going to Big Law will actually be making 200,000 ($160k base + $40k bonus NYC standard 2007). Secondly, he will increase his salary by $20k-$40k every year as an associate, and multiply it after 7-8 years reaching partnership. There's no engineering job at all that keeps up with that.

And I disagree about the communication issue when it comes to engineers. Engineers who work at the best companies are some of the smartest people in the world who can explain complex technical concepts very well, understand economics better than a finance major and present this information well. I've met people who cannot communicate in every profession so to say most engineers who have no personal skills is wrong.

No, they're really not mate. That being said, neither are Big Law lawyers. Nor am I. The smartest people in the world don't do corporate cubicle employment.

To make the most in engineering takes the same effort as making the most in law, graduate with a 3.5gpa in engineering (which is not easy!) and be able to interact well with people and you can make big money with little debt.

Now this I wholly agree with, and something that keeps annoying me on this board. It seems people think law is the only business it's difficult to succeed in. That's just ridiculous. To be successful, you have to be one of the best - regardless of what your education or business is.

Not saying my attitude of not having children is any better, but it's much less prevalent than your attitude which has already led to serious problems in Europe.

Problems in Europe? Which problems? Europe is going exceptionally well these days.

[simonsays]

Considering some kid comes out of law school and maybe makes biglaw and earns 140,000  by working even 50 hrs a week he/she is only earning ~$46 an hour. Thats the same per hour as an engineer making 90,000 a year and working 40 hrs a week.

First of all, salary per hour really isn't relevant. The 1.5 hours extra you spend each day is negligible, and most of us actually don't distribute our spare time on working days that detailed. It makes little difference. Secondly, the kid going to Big Law will actually be making 200,000 ($160k base + $40k bonus NYC standard 2007). Secondly, he will increase his salary by $20k-$40k every year as an associate, and multiply it after 7-8 years reaching partnership. There's no engineering job at all that keeps up with that.

I'd kill for 1.5 hours of free time a day.  BigLaw isn't comparable to engineering as a whole. You can easily extract the subset of engineers doing quant work in Manhattan making   more than your selected subset.

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it's totally releveant you idiot. You obviously are some kid who doesnt know what putting in 60 real hours of work a week on a multi million dollar project means (here comes some summer internship where he worked 100 hrs a week ahaha)

Actually here comes the I started and ran a multimillion dollar company myself, from the age of 18. I've worked 100 hour weeks for several years. Good f-ing going though, Sherlock.

How much you make per hour is the most relevant of all things because as you shall find out, it's balancing your personal time with your work thats the toughest thing americans face.

Partially true. Still, I can assure you pretty much everyone would prefer to put in another 1.5 hours on average per day in exchange for another week of vacation. Simply because small amounts of time saved up per day are less usable than a larger chunk of time saved up where you can travel. Not that Americans in general travel, but the idea is good.

And if you would use a cost of living calculator, 90,000 dollars in houston is the equivalent to 210,000 in good old ny,ny buddy.

So f-ing what? How happy would a New York type of person be in Houston? Not very. Hey, know what, if you live in a trailer parked in the middle of f-ing Arkansas those 210,000 translate to about $50. Maybe that's the secret to being happy!

So once again, 90,000/40 hrs per week will give you the same per hour rate. I never mentioned the bonus one recieves for either profession and keep in mind that is based on you billing 2000hours, requiring at least 3200 hours of real work. And you better believe that that extra 1.5 hours a day takes a toll on you at the end of the week. The difference between 40 to 50 or 40 to 60 hours per week is a BIG ONE.

Yes, in the context of business it's the difference between those who win and those who lose. I know what category I got you pegged down in.

But hey, what does it matter, you probably have no life anyway so enjoy!   And just so you know, with no debt and earning 100,000/year after three years of work you are essentially in better shape than the vandy grad 150gs in debt with the big law job. If the engineer wants to get a law degree and do IP he can and will make more than you anyway. Many people at the top of their law schools are engineers anyway, they tend to do very well.

Actually, the engineering JD will make the exact same lock step pay as I do. He will probably have a little easier time getting a good job from a weaker school, but good thing I'm not going to a weak school then.

Good luck kid, you'll need it.

Yeah, I wish I knew how to succeed in business, I was just a self-made millionaire by 25. Please good Sir, teach me the magic formula of success? I mean, other than taking a bunnies job in a bunnies city because it's cheap to live there. I don't really like that formula.

[LSATdestroyer]

yea millionares post on lsd and argue about big law salaries. U run a multimillion dollar business yet want to go to law school and are in here talking about salary hahaa also, pointing out the salary vs cost of living is done for people to undertand that 90 grand in the south is 200 grand up in ny not for any other purpose you dumbass. Its not used to check how much more someone wants to live in a certain city, it shows that a 90g salary affords the same lifestyle. Got it million dollar dumbass? 
 

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yea millionares post on lsd and argue about big law salaries. U run a multimillion dollar business yet want to go to law school and are in here talking about salary hahaa also, pointing out the salary vs cost of living is done for people to undertand that 90 grand in the south is 200 grand up in ny not for any other purpose you dumbass. Its not used to check how much more someone wants to live in a certain city, it shows that a 90g salary affords the same lifestyle. Got it million dollar dumbass?

Actually, I've never argued about salaries at all. That being said, I argue about a lot of things that do not directly affect me. As for going to law school with enough money already; I want to be a lawyer and I want to have legal competence. Going to law school is how you achieve that. Might not make sense to you, but many things wouldn't I expect.

And no, $90k doesn't afford the same lifestyle in Houston as $210k does in New York, simply because it's two completely different places to live, two totally different lifestyles. People who seek to live and work in New York does so for very specific reasons, criteria they won't have fulfilled in Houston. Now, I like Houston a lot, don't take this as hating on Texas, I'm just pointing out that "Best Value" usually isn't what makes people decide where they want to live.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_fe_st/17_kids

these people are nuts!

[mandy]

You know, some of you people out there who hate kids, your reasons sound very similar to reasons given by "lawyer-haters". Basically bad experiences with a crappy bunch. Oh, wait. Now you'll tell me that 99% of parents give the other 1% a bad name. Where have I heard that one before?