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Time is linear
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Memory's a stranger
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History's for fools
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Man is a tool in the hands of the great God Almighty
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All of the Above
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The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« on: March 23, 2006, 06:38:27 PM »
Tolkien once said he "cordially disliked allegory in all of its manifestations" and instead preferred applicability based on peoples' own thoughts and experiences. He went on to say that he thought "that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." This Roger Waters song has always struck me as eminently applicable and a few of the lines (in bold) are particularly stirring/chilling for me.

The monkey sat on a pile of stones
And he stared at the broken bone in his hand
And the strains Viennese quartet
Rang out across the land
The monkey looked up at the stars
And he thought to himself
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
And he cleaned his hands
In a pool of holy writing
Turned his back on the garden
And set out for the nearest town
Hold on hold on soldier
When you add it all up
The tears and marrowbone
There's an ounce of gold
And an ounce of pride in each ledger
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused

He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
And the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're smart kid
Time is linear
Memory's a stranger
History's for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty

And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden
Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos were lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armor and shouting 'All gods are bastards.'-T.Pratchett

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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2006, 06:41:18 PM »
and yes I am killing time bc I didnt get any email acceptances yet today
Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos were lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armor and shouting 'All gods are bastards.'-T.Pratchett

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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2006, 06:46:02 PM »
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Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos were lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armor and shouting 'All gods are bastards.'-T.Pratchett

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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2006, 06:48:01 PM »
you're a little p-dub, ain'tcha?

:)

funny that tolkein said that he hated allegory when his close buddy cs lewis worked his best in exactly that metier.

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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2006, 06:52:03 PM »
I agree...and to be honest with you I think he was thinking of Lewis when he wrote it. What's p-dub?
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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2006, 06:56:30 PM »
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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 06:58:00 PM »
pdub->p w -> post whore.

keep bumping your threads ;)

you're welcome to wander into other debates. there's a fun one about religion right now in the statistics thread that goes back about 3-4 pages.

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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 07:02:24 PM »
Oh yeah I saw that one Mormonism...I spent a lot of time out in the woods ins in upstate New York and Vermont. But you dont see me starting any religions
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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 08:49:30 PM »
Not many voters but I think its funny that none so far thinks exclusively that time is linear
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Re: The Roger Water's Cynicism Test
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2006, 09:05:49 AM »
you're a little p-dub, ain'tcha?

:)

funny that tolkein said that he hated allegory when his close buddy cs lewis worked his best in exactly that metier.



that was probably after they had a few at the corner pub.