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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1670 on: December 27, 2006, 02:31:13 PM »
Sands and seu (not that she's still around, i'm not sure) both go to Rutgers-Newark. You should ask their opinion on the matter if it's not in that thread. Howard might be more respected for a black person, but I'd prolly enjoy Rutgers more. It's really multicultural and has some really great programs/journals/professors in what I think is a broader array of areas than Howard does.

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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1671 on: December 27, 2006, 03:26:23 PM »
I got accepted to both Rutgers and Howard, which were my top choices, but i can't seem to make up my mind on where to go.  I really want to come back to Texas and practice corporate law, so im looking for a school thats not regional. Can someone advise me on the pros and cons on both schools?

well did you visit both campuses?  I think that could make a difference.  If you have the means to do so, please go visit.  Oh yeah, Check out what bar exams the school focuses on.    :)  My school focuses on the 3 major states that I would want to practice law in so it was a good choice for me.  I'd also like for you to check out Princeton Review's 2005 edition of the top law school's-  good break down; I forget the title of it but I think I posted it elsewhere.  Even breaks it down on how "competitive" the different schools are.    Both schools are in there.
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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1672 on: December 27, 2006, 05:46:44 PM »
Howard is a national school for minorities ...[here's where all the howard's good but it ain't as good as (enter white school of your choice here) people chime in] but i digress research Howard's on campus recruiting etc...it seems to be the school that firms go to when they want to find black lawyers...plus not that it means anything but just some extra....its posted on their website that Howard's moot court team beat Harvard this past year in the moot court competion...they said they made them announce it twice because half the people assumed they said Harvard
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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1673 on: December 28, 2006, 12:42:29 AM »
Thanks for all the info given; I guess I will have to visit both schools to make my decision. I keep hearing that Howard is a national school for minorities, but what about Rutgers, does any one know if its places well outside of the NY/NJ area?  Does anyone know about Howard's JD/MBA program as opposed to Rutgers. 

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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1674 on: December 28, 2006, 12:55:00 AM »
Thanks for all the info given; I guess I will have to visit both schools to make my decision. I keep hearing that Howard is a national school for minorities, but what about Rutgers, does any one know if its places well outside of the NY/NJ area?  Does anyone know about Howard's JD/MBA program as opposed to Rutgers. 

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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1675 on: December 28, 2006, 05:15:57 PM »
Thanks for all the info given; I guess I will have to visit both schools to make my decision. I keep hearing that Howard is a national school for minorities, but what about Rutgers, does any one know if its places well outside of the NY/NJ area?  Does anyone know about Howard's JD/MBA program as opposed to Rutgers. 


Sands would know i'm not familiar with Rutgers but Sands has posted some good things about the school do a search for Burning Sands and Rutgers
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new guy with a Howard question...
« Reply #1676 on: January 02, 2007, 06:39:25 PM »
Sup people. I've been reading through the BLSD board and it is always refreshing to see critical thinkers that look like me. I've got my eyes set on Howard for 2008-2009. I have to retake my LSAT because ummm...yeah. Does Howard average LSAT scores or take the highest?
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Re: new guy with a Howard question...
« Reply #1677 on: January 03, 2007, 08:43:40 PM »
don't know bro...i heard that all schools have to take the highest because of the ABA's policy no matter what they tell you...but then some schools still insist they average...you could call and ask
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Re: Rutgers vs Howard
« Reply #1678 on: January 06, 2007, 02:08:53 AM »
Thanks for all the info given; I guess I will have to visit both schools to make my decision. I keep hearing that Howard is a national school for minorities, but what about Rutgers, does any one know if its places well outside of the NY/NJ area?  Does anyone know about Howard's JD/MBA program as opposed to Rutgers.

I know I'm about a day late and a dollar short, but such is the story of my life.  I'm just now getting back to civilization but I definitely wanted to respond to this one since I was actually faced with this dilemma when I applied to law school.

First off, what everybody has said so far is right on point, especially Jarhead and Cui Bono.  Howard has the distinct privilege of being the only quote unquote "T3" law school with national recognition.  Since your focus is practicing in a law firm its important to know that law firms looking for black attorneys will often skip over many T1 and T2 law schools and go straight to Howard. (arguably a lazy search for black folk but a search nonetheless) That being said, it isn't enough to merely be at Howard for purposes of being hired by a law firm - you must be at the top of Howard so in that regard its sort of a mixed bag.  If you get in there and beat the curve then you've got a good shot at a lot of firms nation-wide; conversely, however, the reverse holds true.

When I was applying to both of these schools and asking around like you are now I had the opportunity to speak with a lot of black lawyers who put me up on some important considerations - such as Bar Passage and job prospects, as well as clinical programs and other academic aspects of each school.  That's usually what tipped the scales for me towards Rutgers.  When I came in '04-05 Rutgers' clinical programs were actually tied with Harvard's, and although I'm not sure of the exact rankings for this current year, having completed this past semester in the clinics I can see why they're held in such high regard. Great experience.

Something that always concerned me was Howard's bar passage rate.  I'm a 3L now so its all about the bar exam.  You don't wanna mess around and bust your tail for 3 years in law school and NOT be able to practice cause you couldn't pass the bar.  That's not the jam.  Rutgers New York pass rate hovers around 75 to 80%, whereas Howard's never seems to  get much higher than 50%.  I don't know what to attribute that to but those odds never quite really sat well with me.  However, both schools still maintain a high employment rate (over 90%).  I was strongly considering clerking after law school, and I did notice that while about 1/2 of Rutgers grads end up going to law firms, there's still a strong 1/3 that end up receiving judicial clerkships after graduation.  Although Howard also sends about 1/2 of their grads to law firms, only about 10% were receiving clerkships, so that was a plus over Howard for me.

You mentioned the JD/MBA programs for each. I can't speak too much for either school on this regard as I had no desire to mess with the JD/MBA. I have 3 friends who are doing the JD/MBA at Rutgers and my hat goes off to them. Quite frankly, I think whoever conceived the JD/MBA concept was the devil, and my 3 buddies who are subjecting themselves to the JD/MBA hazing are insane.  More power to you on that end.  I can put you in contact with them if you would like and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to give you their insight on what it is that they go through exactly.

Definitely visit each school.  I did and I'm glad I got to see each before coming in.  Although some criticize Howard's old building I like the architectural aesthetic of the old school classrooms. It has a very "Paper Chase" feel to it. Rutgers' current building was just built in 2000 so its a fairly new facility.  The Howard library is also very new, completed just a few years ago and is a separate structure located right next to the law school itself.  Another interesting thing about Howard's law school building is that it's in a completely different part of town from Howard University.  I don't known if that's good or bad . . . guess that all depends on your perspective. I see it as a plus personally.  Rutgers' law school is part of the Rutgers Newark campus so there are mad undergrads running around all the time. Which is cool cause the campus is alive and there's always something to do when you need a break but undergrads get very annoying after about 5 minutes when you're in law school . . . but maybe that's just me.  For me, this would be a plus for Howard b/c during 1L you need to be able to concentrate. Not saying that you couldn't do that at Rutgers but the only students around Howard law school are the law students.  Plus DC is about 10 times more attractive than Newark.  For safety purposes it really doesn't matter so much, because both schools are in safe locations respectively, but if you're the adventurous type you might run into a bit of trouble walking the streets of Newark at night.  If you end up going to Rutgers, just stick to the school and New York City.  Outside of the bars and lounges right next to campus, we don't go out too much in Newark - although I will give props to the Iron Bound section of Newark.  Its like a mini-Manhattan.

Overall, the two schools are fairly similar in job prospects for young black attorneys.  I have a few people in my class who have jobs lined up in Texas already, but the majority of Rutgers grads practice on the east coast - particularly in the NY, Philly, and DC Metro areas.  Howard is a little bit more spread out.  Considering that either school will allow you to practice in Texas if you perform well in the classroom, I'd suggest going with the school that gives you more money.



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Re: new guy with a Howard question...
« Reply #1679 on: January 06, 2007, 02:21:32 AM »
Sup people. I've been reading through the BLSD board and it is always refreshing to see critical thinkers that look like me. I've got my eyes set on Howard for 2008-2009. I have to retake my LSAT because ummm...yeah. Does Howard average LSAT scores or take the highest?

Howard takes the highest.
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