Man I love that movie....I also love the parody of it from "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back":BEN/CHUCKIEAre we gonna have a problem, again?CLARKThere's no problem. I was still just hoping you might give me some insight into the evolution of the market economy in the Southern Colonies. See, Wood says--MATT/WILL(stepping in)What'd I say? Didn't I say you'd be back here regurgitating Gordon Wood. But you forgot about Vickers--CLARKNo, I just read Vickers, so I'm up on inherited wealth, Hunting. But you're not the angry, brilliant young mind you once were, just itching to vent your frustrations.In the background, Jay and Silent Bob get bored and head out of the shot. After a beat, they get pushed back in by the A.D.CLARKOnce Sean told you it wasn't your fault, you lost the edge, William. You stopped hitting the books with a vengeance, and now I've read sh*t you haven't even heard about yet. Face facts, my friend--love made you a soft little female private part boy, unable to stand up to an academic showdown, like you used to. You're just no longer that good--Will Hunting.(gets in his face)Now how do you like them apples?Matt/Will turns away angrily, facing Ben/Chuckie, looking downwards, steaming.BEN/CHUCKIEI don't like the sound of them apples. Will, what're we gonna do now?MATT/WILLChuckie--(snarling)It's Hunting season.Matt/Will spins to face Clark with two huge guns in his hands. He blows Clark away, Jay and Bob hit the deck. Matt/Will stands there, guns smoking.BEN/CHUCKIEApple sauce, female dog.
slighlty less ... um... refined, but it still has its merit
Quote from: alexansergej on March 02, 2005, 11:46:38 PMslighlty less ... um... refined, but it still has its meritDude, you gotta lighten up!
I kinda' like the Socratic method. I feel it really makes me think and figure things out....probably the reason it is used?Do you like the Socratic method and is it still widely used?
I kinda' like the Socratic method. I feel it really makes me think and figure things out....probably the reason it is used?I just don't want to spend the first day of law school making out with the 'porcelain throne' (I have watched the Paper Chase too many times~ )Do you like the Socratic method and is it still widely used?
As we have seen, the traditional image of pedagogical pederasty is simply mistaken, so what is its origin? The answer is the philosophy of the Athenian Plato. He has painted a very remarkable picture of his teacher Socrates, who is shown -in Plato's own words- as boy crazy. When Socrates was in the company of beautiful boys, he lost his senses. Some sort of mania (divine madness) took possession of him and he was almost unable to resist it. He often complained about the fact that he was helpless towards adolescents, and said that he could only cope with the situation by asking difficult questions to these beautiful boys and teaching them philosophy. So, according to Plato, Socrates sublimated his passion. This is not just Plato's portrayal of his admired teacher. That Socrates was well-known for this attitude is more or less confirmed by another student, the mercenary leader and author Xenophon (c.430-c.354). He informs us that his master, when challenged by the presence of a good looking adolescent, remained capable of self-control, but took some measures. He did not allow the boy to embrace him, comparing his kisses to spider's bites. Sexuality and other physical contact between teacher and student were simply unacceptable. This is a bolder portrayal than that of Plato (whose Socrates sometimes yielded to the temptation), but both writers agree that their master believed that the contacts between erastes and eromenos could not only be aimed at sexual love, but also at obtaining moral wisdom and strength. A rather remarkable educational ideal. In this context, Socrates/Plato introduces an influential metaphor. Procreation, he says, can be earthly and spiritual, just like love. After all, love can be physical -aimed at the beautiful body of a boy- and spiritual, which he believes is on a higher level. This last type of love can be described as longing for something good and possessing it. The true erastes will prefer the beauty of the soul above that of the body. Instead of a material/earthly parenthood (the procreation of children) he prefers the spiritual type, which is the creation of virtue and knowledge. According to Socrates/Plato, the eromenos's understanding grows and in the end, he will be able to see a beauty that is above all earthly standards, compared to which even the most beautiful boy is nothing. In other words, by spiritually loving a beautiful beloved, the lover reaches an understanding of absolute beauty. Philosophy is, therefore, an erotical enterprise. It should be added that for Plato, the only type of real love is the love between two men, and he has dedicated two of his dialogues to that subject: the Symposium and the Phaedrus. After all, homo-erotic love is related to education and gaining knowledge, and this makes it superior to other types of love. Socrates In 399 BCE, Socrates was executed on a charge of corrupting the Athenian youth. This is a bit mysterious, because there was no Athenian law that said that people who taught bad ideas to young people ought to be killed. Socrates can not have been guilty of breaking any written law. However, his fellow-citizens have interpreted this "corruption of the youth" as a sexual corruption: they took literally Socrates's metaphor that he loved boys, and this was indeed breaking the old law of 450 (above) that forbade young citizens to sell themselves. Correctly or not, Socrates was held responsible for inducing boys to prostitution. Plato has tried to take away the blame from Socrates by pointing at his sincere and spiritual aims. In another context, he presents his master as saying that men who play the passive role are guilty of despicable and rampant behavior. After all, Socrates/Plato says, these men behave like women and are slaves of their passions. In the dialogue called Gorgias, Socrates declares that he is against all kinds of excessive sexual acts, and in Plato's main work, The State, Socrates even rejects all kinds of physical contact as some sort of unbridled behavior: the good lover treats his beloved one as a father treats his son. It can not be said whether Plato's description of Socrates's ideas and behavior correspond to what Socrates really said and did. What we do know, however, is that it was at odds with common behavior in ancient Athens.
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